From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 7 22:52:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A4016A4BF for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C097C43F3F for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h885q6Oe077585 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: The Old Way Was Better X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 05:52:14 -0000 On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > You'll recruit more testers by making releases and you'll recruit even > more by naming the releases well. What "well" is is the problem, > because name choices have other effects too. If we want to use names to do the recruiting for us, perhaps we should call it 5.1-ALMOST-AS-GOOD-AS-MICROSOFT-WITH-HI-DEF-MEDIA-PLAYER-AND-ANNA- KOURNIKOVA-CLIPS. That should get even more people to do testing. And as far as long times between releases, so what? Developers are packing enough major shit into 5.X to tide FreeBSD over for 4 major releases. File system snapshots, ACLs, MAC, PAE, SMPng, that's a major chunk of work. I have said my bit. I only intended to cast my vote and be heard. I didn't want to spend this much time on the issue. Check out openafs.org for AFS info. The people who are working on FreeBSD are working on -current. openafs will build and run on FreeBSD as a client by my own experience, and as a server by reports I have read. It was wonky though. It would hang the system if you tried to kill it. This is what lead me to try out 5.1 in the first place. Later, Jason C. Wells