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Message-ID: References: <20220408040435.71a02dff@archlinux> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/+uDF4V/GwKoO6IG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20220408040435.71a02dff@archlinux> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KZMQz4gjGz3Q19 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm2 header.b=J+r2coL9; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=TQactCLK; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.26:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.26:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.26:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --/+uDF4V/GwKoO6IG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 04:04:35AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Hi, > >AFAICS they are using groups.google.com, but I can't see what operating >system is used to run groups.google.com. Maybe it runs on HardenedBSD >servers ;). More likely all Google things runs on hardened Linux >servers. However, AFAICS using groups.google.com is for free as in beer >and it's maintained by Google, so no costs and no work for the >HardenedBSD project, hence more donated money and more of people's time >can be put into development of HardenedBSD. It's not really security per se, it's g**gles way of making money. I'd prefer not to be monetized for metadata on any platform. I'd prefer seeing hardenedbsd ml on their own sw/hw. It would show faith, trust. 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