From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 29 07:26:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D239106564A for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterc@luddite.com.au) Received: from arquebus.com.au (proxy.arquebus.com.au [203.20.87.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B744B8FC0C for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:26:47 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=luddite.com.au; h=Date:From:Subject; b=UtIB4ZI5qMvaxKzDeIw7B2dG+ajhBo1NAvk2iTiWm7pmlpimcpNF+vsiGIevUjnSgQHQgPXh6aY/N8o9G/F6BLmKoWA+Hffk3UAaL7ds7dR3L6e2lqZK78yMpa7J98a+; X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=203.20.87.108; Message-ID: <4EFC1260.1060503@luddite.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:10:24 +1100 From: "Peter J. Cherny" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111112 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: peterc@arquebus.com.au X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:28:46 +0000 Subject: Apropos Removal of sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:26:48 -0000 Rather than hijack the previous thread, it's probably time to make a few comments on the current and future installation and use of ZFS FreeBSD. I've used both Solaris and FreeBSD since nearly day one for both OSs, so have a deal of familiarity in their use. I believe removal of sysinstall exposes the community's blindness to a major parts of it's future, ZFS root. Other than following arcane recipes, the only way to create a system with ZFS root is by using Martin Matuška's excellent mfsboot images. Where are the plans for making this functionality mainstream ? I believe that unless FreeBSD gets it's act together, Debian/dpkg/zfsonlinux is starting to look like a much more supportable environment (i.e. has a future) Sadly the lack of xen already often forces me to run FreeBSD VMs under Debian. Flames happily accepted if this helps codify FreeBSD's future, but I fear it will go the way of Solaris and be irrelevant to those of us who for decades have used both in the server space. pjc