Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:08:38 -0500 From: Photon Blizzard <photon@ionet.net> To: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> Cc: Photon Blizzard <photon@ionet.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why the list then? Message-ID: <37E5B346.9F67D855@ionet.net> References: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> <19990919010731.D14607@welearn.com.au>
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Sue Blake wrote: > Hmph. I want a full length black skirt with little daemons all over it! > Maybe they'll get them in one day... I can dream, can't I? > Well, I hear they do have a little 'beastie bra', and when you walk out in the cold, it makes the little beasties spin and... Uh, never mind.... Geez! :-) > > If you get that sort of response from this list, you almost deserve it > for expecting newbies to have a level of sophistication that would > allow them to refer you politely to the correct list. They should, but > many are still learning to do that. Bad behaviour is inexcusable > everywhere, but people do have to be free to make a lot of mistakes in > order to learn. Some of the biggest jerks have settled down and become > valued contributors once they get a chance to relax and feel they fit > in. We hardly ever have flame fests here, but when we do, everyone > Naw, I know that there isn't a lot of flaming or anything going on, I just read the list and see all these questions that newbies are posting (and seeing others trying to help), and I realize that this isn't the venue for it and just wait for someone to tell them so. (I read this list and questions as well checking to see if something comes up that I can help with). I really read this list to pick on you from time to time. :-) > On the other hand, if you get that kind of put-down response on > freebsd-questions, that HAS to be fixed. They must get used to seeing > sensible newbies with sensible questions, however simple, and seeing > appropriate responses. It's all very well to expect more experienced > users to help, but it has to go both ways. Exactly. However, I have probably posted about 4 questions in my life to any list. (I learned quickly I was on my own for the most part). On one occassion I was *very* lucky. I couldn't get XFree86 to see my Rage III Pro+ video. I think I posted my question to a Linux XFree list and was responded to by and engineer who worked for them in Canada who gave me excplicit instructions to modify something and it worked. (Support has since been added to XFree86). Hell, when I purchased FreeBSD 2.2.6 on CD, I installed it and then blew it off at least 6 times over a period of 3 months before I finally decided that I would not be defeated! (Did the same scenario with RedHat 5.1 and came to conclusion that it just sucked and wasnt worth it).... > A large proportion of freebsd-newbies subscribers (compared to the > other lists) runs other operating systems, so there's no need for > anyone to feel inhibited about mentioning them here. Nobody gets > religious about it either, which is nice. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S NOT RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) > FreeBSD-questions. > Question: "Where the heck did 'if_tun0' come from and what other options for 'if_' are available". Try it, dare ya! Hee, hee..... > > > I am not trying to be negative, but this list seems > > to attract newbies wanting to ask newbie questions, > > It attracts newbies, many of whom are too unfamiliar with mailing lists > to be bothered following the list charters. If they made that mistake > elsewhere, they'd get quite a hostile reception, not good for one's > first taste of FreeBSD. It's nicer to get prodded by 200 fellow > learners here, rather than flamed by 2000 experts in another FreeBSD > list. > It's just the name I was refering to, make sense, right? > > It is not meant to be everyone's cup of tea. In particular, those > newbies who think that 100% of being a newbie is asking for help won't > like it, and should be encouraged to move on. Those newbies who want > time off from constantly pleading for help and/or being told what to > do, who want to talk to some other FreeBSD users as equals for a > change, can use this list. There's nowhere else where they can do that. > Oh my god! I may actually be posting a message that is slightly within the bounds of the lists charter!! I won't stand for it! :-) Okay, I've picked on ya' for this year. Take care and keep it up! :-) Michael. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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