From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 15 03:53:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 507D66B4; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 03:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E6F2895; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 03:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from jre-mbp.elischer.org (ppp121-45-248-228.lns20.per4.internode.on.net [121.45.248.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t5F3rcMA087050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <557E4C3D.5080602@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 11:53:33 +0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Chadd , Craig Rodrigues CC: "src-committers@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: svn commit: r284198 - head/bin/ls References: <201506100127.t5A1RdX6051959@svn.freebsd.org> <20150612204309.11dd3391@kan> <20150613024916.GA98218@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <1434208622.1415.57.camel@freebsd.org> <557C661F.8080104@freebsd.org> <860017ED-D754-450C-865D-2D81A30C2212@xcllnt.net> <20150614002640.GA2746@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 03:53:45 -0000 On 6/14/15 10:48 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 13 June 2015 at 18:22, Craig Rodrigues wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>>> I guarantee that no matter what you've worked on, there's >>>> approximately five orders of magnitude of shipping devices whose >>>> entire storage space can be measured in 1 digit megabytes. Each year. >>> (And yes - there's an appreciable set of them for which freebsd boots, >>> runs and keeps running on them.0 >>> >>> You can buy em too, some of them even under $60. >> >> Can FreeBSD now not run on these systems because of libxo? > It's a tight squeeze as it is. Running in 8MB of flash (even if it's > compressed) is still an exercise in "what can you cut out." > > My point isn't that it isn't running because of libxo; my point is > that arguing about "embedded" involving "lots of storage" is woefully > incorrect and will continue to be until those gigabytes of storage are > available for a penny. Which yes, I'm guessing will happen in my > career - but it's also quite likely code bloat will continue to chase > that upward. do we have a WITHOUT_LIBXO option on sources? I believe we should.. > > > > -adrian > >