From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 27 13:54:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9786416A56B; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from speedfactory.net (mail6.speedfactory.net [66.23.216.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5DF13C48D; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (unverified [66.23.211.162]) by speedfactory.net (SurgeMail 3.8k2) with ESMTP id 205598062-1834499 for multiple; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:54:47 -0400 Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7RDsH9U027472; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:54:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: "M. Warner Losh" Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:33:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20070825.093925.43008968.imp@bsdimp.com> <20070825.155138.-1548240116.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20070825.155138.-1548240116.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200708270933.23751.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:54:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/4075/Mon Aug 27 08:49:55 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, peterjeremy@optushome.com.au, yar@comp.chem.msu.su, alfred@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, eischen@vigrid.com, kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/gen fts-compat.c fts-compat.h X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:54:31 -0000 On Saturday 25 August 2007 05:51:38 pm M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: > Daniel Eischen writes: > : On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Ken Smith wrote: > : > : > > : > [ Not bothering to include references for the entire thread, go back and > : > read them if you really want to... ] > : > > : > I want Yar's work to proceed as planned please. My reasons are: > : > : No offense, but some things have been going in without being discussed > : an -arch or -current. Approval for committing still has to go through > : re@, but that doesn't mean that changes shouldn't be vetted elsewhere > : prior to being sent to re@ approval. > > Can you be specific? > > Also, we shouldn't be making it this hard to use versioned symbols. > The last thing we want is for it to be perceived as a fight to get one > into the tree. If that's the perception, then people are less likely > to do the right thing in the future. We should instead embrace the > change, document the right thing to do and use it as a dry-run to work > out the kinks in the process. > > Yar's change fell into a grey area. Reasonable people could differ as > to the time that the ABI became 'official'. Is it with the release? > Or is it when symbol versioning was turned on? Or maybe when the code > freeze happened. Clearly it wasn't before symbol versioning was > enabled, and it can't be after the release. Why not now? Why not let > the RE@ make the call when he reasonably believes the right time is? > We delegated the release process to him and his team so the whole > community doesn't micromanage it to death, introduce changes at a bad > time, etc, etc, etc. Why can't we let him decide the exact boundaries > and make this grey area less grey? It has been the release in the past, never really grey. I could see making it when RELENG_x is branched, but we haven't reached that point either. -- John Baldwin