From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Feb 28 21:54:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6115151AE49; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dbkirk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42e.google.com (mail-wr1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 503A28B704; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dbkirk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id d17so23623671wre.10; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:54:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KcX2dMBldm/lp9XaLJ9LuVZrKmoQYJTwxHhoma6ttkE=; b=BdxtMTbcs9tJuXf9ai162KfiOuuO/mz2eVz8CRcR4Eb4TPx9V2XzmuLDih+8OXVcib gFMYL53hcj9KYI/HRRFfVXxDllv70wgl1X8Rwh1dUnkwPFURiYBW7F/YxSuMdmblvwEM fhaqAhbaRX1kd2vGAXUc4r5OoCWprPcHVq9M5iqCrslHyL9Ji4+t+/+/0oiLiuJ+DXca RcDcp8yn8VpTk4JpmFFnflAsv021NP7WyGvS/bj57uUPek8Sv65DVP6UYWo70YJmNFGR stI/W8G1rP6BWUJ+TJ68wkgjWhXDZ8ZvtzCJ0LMPJf5G/CmEHcAA4GSOD1fqGWTQFkwi vuxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KcX2dMBldm/lp9XaLJ9LuVZrKmoQYJTwxHhoma6ttkE=; b=OFxM/zuyqJnZAm3FXEGe+B4ADrhr04UBSCXHVSjxcFY77DuGf6BeS43P6wI8ZiVJQf poBD8EMk0z6P0fWmPek+3tUScPHujppOP1ntvBrxobECXFv2jxNqJXlPIjv4Kj94WLnF HuNO+dRMO61onvRa57SjzzufvCBQ3KSEQhWGPYaTWzyx7X3oVGV33BZarAcJLq+08xjk 8pdQ4nz8iO7C8USQ1P4Z4L7ILrkitvWKERNQXik9b6D70bPPkoZiKbdwx6vi3ejcwBjL Oaz59Z9xqG0K4raN6C/nea0I48F7p/FdId+MBScII1N0SAGMcrUvLPGoUsWz+NNnDQ6G bU7A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWKPCnmbYs2FRRrG3RxVW6h6EKQSHphXqhZFpU/ROjYThuAaSEh 3L/IVaIW5QYnBOL19Eo0pfJSOKjq6EJFJ/g4IJCBoA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyZq0sYE7S/iepX2mCOzORhrSs7ulB0VZwTURGmMyvicWgsfBzPXLXkRVXkFbJmbbKES59PECxrjvA5x89eIYA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:694d:: with SMTP id r13mr1047108wrw.38.1551390845808; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:54:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190228194929.GA18747@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <201902282034.x1SKYWMi006337@slippy.cwsent.com> <20190228210635.GA31257@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190228210635.GA31257@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Doug Kirk Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:53:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DRM removal soon To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 503A28B704 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.957,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:54:08 -0000 On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 3:07 PM Steve Kargl < sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > Seems our experiences are exact opposites. :( > > I suppose it is the bane of those of who cannot afford > new hardware every 2 or 3 years. > > Hmm, because amd64 has only been available for the last 2 or 3 years? It was added to FreeBSD as experimental in 5.1-RELEASE (June 2003) and standard in 5.2-RELEASE (January 2004). Jeff Atwood commented on desktop adoption of x86-64 in 2007 here: https://blog.codinghorror.com/is-it-time-for-64-bit-on-the-desktop/ , and it even mentions that graphics cards don't like 32-bit limits. If you bought an x86-32 system within the last 2-3 years, why is that anybody else's fault that your graphics-based computer was obsolete when you bought it? Please stop whining on the mailing list, you're just adding noise by setting up straw-man arguments.