From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 22 07:33:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9892B1065696 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:33:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de [217.11.53.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255208FC16 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2C388.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.195.136]) by mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09CF8844024; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C364968246; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:14:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1253603696; bh=lldB4lNBzes/xpKm9jeS5Dn1qtMSs0csywPQLjWP8cI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rHN6J2303spsi8aMS5dLindr9NhauXC35U0YV6yG/n6xzHJl7wWjuFNIQwPNBNZoA 6fm7hSJCmC+gV1FdNgrU5dv9yC2oKsPjDm1bj4u4eCdyI/01tdHaavNg+NcuxSvhnu 4eBzgJroV2/jnkGvQMcujlRhuwv0YgwKoz6pXWOtPROh4iwYOYxtV3fu96fo7RDjzd 9Zht4R1crKLK/Ig3HjZOliRMZ9rV9kwoWHZf5qawEumK5y/Coz3I9s4acuSuuiA3ry 9HTcGbIh2L2aXQjXvVzUKpLZlZ0ypGsYh0JUSknGePD28g71BXHzE//YRid8V31S4J VuRw9TRCDnrzQ== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id n8M7EuNA048535; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:14:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:14:55 +0200 Message-ID: <20090922091455.208864fktn4do1c8@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:14:55 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Tom Evans References: <20090921112657.GW95398@hoeg.nl> <20090921112917.GA89971@freebsd.org> <20090921113556.GX95398@hoeg.nl> <1253537983.1757.5.camel@localhost> <1253540785.2134.85.camel@strangepork.london.mintel.ad> In-Reply-To: <1253540785.2134.85.camel@strangepork.london.mintel.ad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.3.3 / FreeBSD-8.0 X-EBL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EBL-MailScanner-ID: 09CF8844024.13CEF X-EBL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-EBL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, spamhaus-ZEN, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.56, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, BR_SPAMMER_URI 2.00, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00) X-EBL-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-EBL-MailScanner-Watermark: 1254208500.76433@FA57CoRH7sKxRLkNKxxcFg X-EBL-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:33:13 -0000 Quoting Tom Evans (from Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:46:25 +0100): > On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 08:59 -0400, Coleman Kane wrote: >> On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 13:35 +0200, Ed Schouten wrote: >> > * Roman Divacky wrote: >> > > can tmux be configured to be 100% compatible with screen? if so >> > > are we going to ship with such a config on default? >> > >> > Well, we could ship a screen-like config in /usr/share/examples, but in >> > my opinion we shouldn't enable this by default. It only makes it more >> > confusing when people switch to different operating systems that don't >> > use this config. I do think tmux's use of ^B instead of ^A by default is >> > a bit awkward... >> > >> >> Funny. I always considered (and still consider, but live with it) >> screen's use of ^A to be quite awkward and annoying, myself, since it >> conflicts with using ^A for jump-to-start-of-line. >> > > You can always change it. When I started at $JOB, my mentor hated that I > used screen, because he used ^A a lot to jump to start of line. I now > use ^F, which is used a lot less :) > > ``screen -e ^ff'' does the trick. In /usr/local/etc/screenrc you can do something similar without the need to always enter it manually: ---snip--- # change escape char and no startup message startup_message off escape ^Ff defescape ^Ff ---snip--- I also have: ---snip--- # fancy bottom lines caption always "%{= kw}%?%-Lw%?%{+b kw}%n*%t%f %?(%u)%?%{= kw}%?%+Lw%?" hardstatus alwayslastline "%{+b kr}[ $USER($LOGNAME)@%H ] %{ky} Load: %l %-=%{kb} %c %d.%m." ---snip--- To get back on-topic to the initial stuff: as a user of screen and a person which doesn't care if it is screen or tmux... I would prefer to not have anything like this in the base. It is not hard to install it on a machine, and if tmux there are frequent releases of tmux, it will always be outdated in FreeBSD and as such I would prefer to get it from ports. Bye, Alexander. -- It's no longer a question of staying healthy. It's a question of finding a sickness you like. -- Jackie Mason http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137