From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jan 26 22:27:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0ED14B0C41 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0836370614 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:27:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.226.69]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MFbBO-1gy0CR3gB4-00H7ga for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:39:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:39:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless interface Message-Id: <20190126213957.adfeb61c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qqmm6rWjQ5+VHJ6MTTZMPgMIsm2O1PCvErPa58y3LRc96cVQy+R BObaP1BIQ4JQvtGnPWrF/ZpaOjQRUX1EqLykqRHdt5hgTjLYHRRiafVze465GXM27i7T1sx 7Ph+SjHyCaNg3drNSZyZINFh8lU7NqiyotY9RqVzotzQbfJHqjn6C5sPGV30At1LKQGvmC0 YrV0eAtuLt5p90ntdkLig== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:kdaX8D/XRTk=:+JquTHfVgJVjAYT6iZ70LW +RiiXJRoS+xbYBIzON+LZmgQjKyfqgiW395ZZemYyqIc8ZXLm7853BCRUIjLWgDBE7R6nsdjn SyIRyNcUBpXbDRfS8kK1tGZZKy8Ma/Uhn172i+oMIOKxGnSvXwVbq1xiJ3l9F3JYorYPrMWBW yWWBrjmskUgCesIoFydAhYqND+DJNznoNmhSnwe5eaqlekoFvs5mbQH9VOd2qDO/5kvUYwISa 8MRkkOi1R4/Ol8CnfOvzFGGACuVTJpURP/xS74XP4Mgr+N9+Y/QOHfPHZOORjyLhC4Mmq1oC6 CNBnnvPbw/SAMky2Q4hSW4qs9kKC1EAScn0yX8KuTP3GIcPad9wOuTlY0sqjrlZzebhRbJsuH HFcF7mxzQxHK5o3z7SBnwFwcEuHsEqIp3AQ0lgqAsh9k8HmlosnRUateiMSuB3Xhj1qFlPfPt Jh3HO0la641N7gcFvlQcxBe5c0PPlqPimiG2OtIA1rb10H94ckDRh06WppAFetzoXc4DYfDaW bTF+HJ9Uyg3RUk8Jq4JYh19PyyE6JsBl8VrV2A5clDE3ZZf2XZXpY4H5eyYD2I46dWqUgqbQ3 kyb23iTwI7jWeuUc5CK4KIhYQGTABZ6GsMpConRdDIJJhj5HkoSWpVB3I9LSrw7vp0b1PJpza yv1cSrRU/wmNv+9PMiB8Rt7tTfzbgkSgjfhNg0u59X0JHQCYXjyh6KS6p5x3nbAgrx5mAKhiH EsbpvCPcqGqRCpNdoCw5Hrt5OSgBTlGoQn/vde/07ZQU7w05TWdxa+XHkUA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0836370614 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[69.226.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.986,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[133.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.92)[ip: (3.07), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.66), asn: 8560(2.18), country: DE(-0.01)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:27:55 -0000 On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:50:53 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > Plus, you then have to install a GUI. Now, if you > want to compare a FreeBSD system sans GUI, you have to compare it > against a MS Server, not the regular Windows version design for home or > office users. Your comparison of "Windows 10" vs. FreeBSD is also unfair. You'd better compare it to a FreeBSD-based preinstalled and preconfigured system, such as TrueOS (ex PC-BSD), where you get a GUI and a set of common applications in the normal install. Plus you do _not_ get spyware preinstalled. ;-) You also are not urged to register an account with a US-based company, which is a win in itself. Always remember that there are many people who are willing to provide confidential information for no good reason to any computer program or web page that asks for it. "The computer should know what it's doing. If it says, 'enter your PIN here', I enter my PIN here. I have nothing to hide. And I want to see the dancing elephants for free." ;-) > This is not about "hand-holding"; it is about bring the OS into the > modern age. My machine is supposed to be my slave, not the other way > around. This is very interesting: You consider a "Windows"-based computer still a PC, a _personal_, YOUR _personal_ computer? Especially with the consumer-enabled background updating processes (good _and_ bad at the same time), system changes are very often a surprise for users, and in most cases, it's the kind of "it doesn't work anymore" kind of surprise... "Windows" might be okay for certain cases, as long as it works. But as soon as something does not work, or stops working, you have nearly no on-board diagnostic means. You can hope that the next update will make the printer work again, or that if you delete and re-install the scanner driver, the scanner will work again. But you don't know for sure. Hope is what you need. FreeBSD, on the other hand, allows you to find out by yourself what might be wrong. Its ability to break down obscure and closed processes like "connect to a WLAN", which is in fact a quite complex process, makes it far easier to debug things. Just a few independent thoughts. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...