From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 16:55:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9251065675; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2C78FC1C; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [82.95.250.254]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBNGg69h034902; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:42:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mBNGbjTM044753; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:37:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mBNGbeYT044752; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:37:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:37:39 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Rink Springer Message-ID: <20081223163739.GF42864@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20081222214010.GA18389@elvis.mu.org> <20081223162336.GA77652@rink.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081223162336.GA77652@rink.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:33:13 +0000 Cc: Alfred Perlstein , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADSUP usb2 (usb4bsd) to become default in 2 weeks. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:55:28 -0000 Quoting Rink Springer, who wrote on Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 05:23:36PM +0100 .. > Hi people, > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 01:40:10PM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > We're going to usher in the New Year with a new usb stack. > > > > Now is the time to test, test, test. > > > > It is also the time to point out anything missing from usb2 that > > is in usb1. > > > > In two weeks, on Jan 3rd I will switch the GENERIC kernel to use > > usb2. > > > > The old usb code will remain in case there is any fallout. > > > > Depending on how this trial goes we will hopefully move to the new > > stack entirely within a few weeks after bug reports start dying > > down. > > For what it's worth, I think this is *way* too early to be even > considering this; there is still massive fundamental work being > performed on the new stack (which reminds me that I really should get > back to my permission patches soonish), but that is not the only > issue. Guys.. is there any reason why this needs to be rushed in over the Christmas break? Getting it in the tree, fine. But making USB2 the default so quickly does not appear to be proper engineering procedure. The days that CURRENT was broken for long periods is not something the project wants to get back to. The discussions sofar do not make me believe this will be a smooth transition, it seems it will need testing and fixing for a reasonable (considerable?) period. Wilko speaking for myself this time