Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:59:23 -0700 From: Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org> To: Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Request for review, time_pps_fetch() enhancement Message-ID: <1360684763.4545.167.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> In-Reply-To: <20130210104145.GJ2522@kib.kiev.ua> References: <1360125698.93359.566.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <20130206155830.GX2522@kib.kiev.ua> <1360365220.4545.42.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <20130210104145.GJ2522@kib.kiev.ua>
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On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 12:41 +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 04:13:40PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 17:58 +0200, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 09:41:38PM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote:
> > > > I'd like feedback on the attached patch, which adds support to our
> > > > time_pps_fetch() implementation for the blocking behaviors described in
> > > > section 3.4.3 of RFC 2783. The existing implementation can only return
> > > > the most recently captured data without blocking. These changes add the
> > > > ability to block (forever or with timeout) until a new event occurs.
> > > >
> > > > -- Ian
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Index: sys/kern/kern_tc.c
> > > > ===================================================================
> > > > --- sys/kern/kern_tc.c (revision 246337)
> > > > +++ sys/kern/kern_tc.c (working copy)
> > > > @@ -1446,6 +1446,50 @@
> > > > * RFC 2783 PPS-API implementation.
> > > > */
> > > >
> > > > +static int
> > > > +pps_fetch(struct pps_fetch_args *fapi, struct pps_state *pps)
> > > > +{
> > > > + int err, timo;
> > > > + pps_seq_t aseq, cseq;
> > > > + struct timeval tv;
> > > > +
> > > > + if (fapi->tsformat && fapi->tsformat != PPS_TSFMT_TSPEC)
> > > > + return (EINVAL);
> > > > +
> > > > + /*
> > > > + * If no timeout is requested, immediately return whatever values were
> > > > + * most recently captured. If timeout seconds is -1, that's a request
> > > > + * to block without a timeout. WITNESS won't let us sleep forever
> > > > + * without a lock (we really don't need a lock), so just repeatedly
> > > > + * sleep a long time.
> > > > + */
> > > Regarding no need for the lock, it would just move the implementation into
> > > the low quality one, for the case when one timestamp capture is lost
> > > and caller of time_pps_fetch() sleeps until next pps event is generated.
> > >
> > > I understand the desire to avoid lock, esp. in the pps_event() called
> > > from the arbitrary driver context. But the race is also real.
> > >
> >
> > What race? A user of the pps interface understands that there is one
> > event per second, and understands that if you ask to block until the
> > next event at approximately the time that event is expected to occur,
> > then it is ambiguous whether the call completes almost-immediately or in
> > about 1 second.
> >
> > Looking at it another way, if a blocking call is made right around the
> > time of the PPS, the thread could get preempted before getting to
> > pps_fetch() function and not get control again until after the PPS has
> > occurred. In that case it's going to block for about a full second,
> > even though the call was made before top-of-second. That situation is
> > exactly the same with or without locking, so what extra functionality is
> > gained with locking? What guarantee does locking let us make to the
> > caller that the lockless code doesn't?
>
> No guarantees, but I noted in the original reply that this is about the
> quality of the implementation and not about correctness.
>
> As I said there as well, I am not sure that any locking can be useful
> for the situation at all.
Well then I guess I don't understand what you mean by the term
"quality". Apparently you use it as some form of jargon rather than its
usual accepted meaning in everyday English?
Or, more directly: are you implying something should be changed to make
the code better?
-- Ian
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