From nobody Fri Apr 8 02:45:25 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2AB1A99002 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2022 02:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0004977d21.b67074bcb0d66625904a84b4a7074346@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KZN092nnsz3mFS for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2022 02:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd0004977d21.b67074bcb0d66625904a84b4a7074346@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1649385929; x=1651977929; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=h9rpGfPd+UF61Zo0Y47HFNDpO9yuk8nsUVEu6+ZgvtY=; b=GAPjMci4t/IH9VyYmchA2E9yulICH2tkek1OBFwgbV8f2IM6jJ+yCcedboB5u1IHC8tbkuJ5+LpeYGzaYizznOJxCsQ7OfVRtWLwaamHd+uOpVDQRHWyrKvKy+lcm+o6xBvtfH3IFJqDafr1RRdBEjrKTmrQs0jB4V2FmfKuwXA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkZDAwMDQ5NzdkMjEucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Apr 2022 22:45:27 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Apr 2022 22:45:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1nceco-000LOD-14; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 03:45:26 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 03:45:25 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: tech-lists Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why don't you eat your own dog food? Message-Id: <20220408034525.f996ecf1e21fe0c3a52ca9bb@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20220408040435.71a02dff@archlinux> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KZN092nnsz3mFS X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=GAPjMci4; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4dd0004977d21.b67074bcb0d66625904a84b4a7074346@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4dd0004977d21.b67074bcb0d66625904a84b4a7074346@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.189.3:received]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0004977d21.b67074bcb0d66625904a84b4a7074346@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd0004977d21.b67074bcb0d66625904a84b4a7074346@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 03:20:09 +0100 tech-lists wrote: > It's not really security per se, it's g**gles way of making money. > I'd prefer not to be monetized for metadata on any platform. > > I'd prefer seeing hardenedbsd ml on their own sw/hw. It would > show faith, trust. Right now, it isn't. So contact the hardenedbsd project and show them your hardenedbsd based mailing list POC set up with all their lists cloned to it and offer to maintain it as part of the project. I presume they use Google Groups because nobody on the project wants to run a mailing list so if you think they should then you're bit is to help find someone who does and the obvious candidate is the person who feels strongly that it should be done - you! You lack the time ? You have more important things to do ? So do they! As for the FreeBSD project eating its own dog food, reflect on the fact that FreeBSD has been self hosting since its inception and has *always* been developed on FreeBSD and has *always* shipped the sources that built the system with it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith