From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 22 19: 9:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DCE14F94 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-150.thuntek.net [207.66.52.150]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id UAA01985; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <377040F4.4D3B54B8@thuntek.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:05:40 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesus Monroy Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: [Announcing new distributed.net Team FreeBSD site]] References: <19990622212128.4456.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please don't take me wrong, Jesus. I think it's a great development platform from which to GET somewhere, just as freebsd is a great starting point for a web "killer app". However, I don't see (at least from your homepage) that you're doing anything in parallel YET except synchronous starting and stopping of processes which are discrete and already on each computer's hard disk. I'm sorry if I offended you with the word "junk". Shit, my "target" machine is a 486 lunchbox. However, words aside, the reality is that a network does not a parallel machine make. You've got a place to start from, but you've still got to build the parallel code and produce results, just as I have to build code before my beloved FreeBSD will become a killer app. There's no news in a bunch of machines hooked together and working in lockstep, it's been done before. What's really new? Is there something really new? I didn't see it on your website, and I'm a programmer. You've got to have something that a beancounter or a suit can say "wow" to, and I don't see it. I'm not going to manufacture hocus pocus out of vaporware, sorry. I leave that to Microshit Corp. If it's arrogance to insist that you give me something WORTH shouting about before I open my mouth, then damn fucking right I'm arrogant -- and proud of it. THAT is the BSD way: performance counts. I'm sorry you took it wrong, but it wasn't a miracle that got BSD released, it was a hard fight by a lot of determined people. I don't have the time to add my coding shoulder to your wheel, that's what you really need at this point. Damn, guy, I know what a parallel machine is, I've hooked together distributed systems with thousands of microcontrollers spread over 10 square miles and a tell-me-thrice multicpu controller on top of it. You give me something real, and I'll gladly shout it around the globe, so loud we'll turn Aricebo inside out from the reflections off the moon, but I can't work from a wish and a prayer. You get Gary Kline (tao@thought.org, I think) to tell me you've got something real here, or you show me something more integrated than socket-spawning over a network, and we can talk press. Until then, please don't ask to get laughed at. I wasn't laughing. If you read my reply you'll see that I was being rather gentle, but putting out a PR about a toy network will get you/us/FreeBSD laughed off slashdot and everywhere else. -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message