From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jun 27 10:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08296 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles146.castles.com [208.214.165.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08291 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09466; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806270151.SAA09466@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Thyer cc: Mike Smith , Matthew Thyer , Terry Lambert , Jonathan Lemon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'fatal trap 12' on boot (smp and up) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:09:46 +0930." <35943142.6B9C1C5D@camtech.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:51:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This situation has just become more urgent with the release > of Windows 98 which I have just installed over the last several > hours. You might have considered that we'd be a long way ahead of you, what with betas having been commonly available since the beginning of the year. > Now a command line only boot of Windows 98 (i.e. hitting F8 before > Windows boots and choosing command line only from the menu) cannot > run fbsdboot.exe without the crash just as I feared. > > Now the only way to use fbsdboot.exe is to boot off a floppy disk > that has been created with Windows 95 or earlier. > > I suspect that a Windows 98 startup disk wont help but I haven't > tried that yet. > > So there is no way of booting cleanly using a version of DOS from > Windows 98 (and beyond probably). Therefore FreeBSD should not > be relying on these vectors being unmodified. I'm sorry, but this conclusion is fallacious. You might just as easily suggest that, eg. Windows NT should not rely on these vectors being unmodified (it does). > Soon no one will have Windows 95 or earlier so its going to be > pretty hard to install FreeBSD from the CD-ROM. Actually, all you droids will be running Windows 98 on "PC-98" machines (systems certified for Windows 98), all of which are required to support the El Torito CDROM boot standard. Naturally, the FreeBSD CDROMs are all bootable. > I'm sorry Mike but your answer "boot from a floppy" wont be any > good when everyones floppies have been formatted with Windows 98! Since the formatter doesn't matter a damn, and since the floppy I was referring to is a FreeBSD boot floppy, and since you will still be able to make these floppies under Windows 98 (guess whether *we* bothered to test with the betas), I don't actually see this as a problem except for the hysterical minority that are still unwilling to use any of the various perfectly adequate boot managers already in circulation. Please note that FreeBSD is an _operating_system_, not a Windows application. If you insist on corrupting your system's private state with another operating system, that's your own problem. "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Don't do that." -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message