From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 1 19:16:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F12B8FDE2 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karly@kipshouse.net) Received: from mgmt.ironboy.kipshouse.net (ironboy.kipshouse.net [IPv6:2001:470:835a:4242::42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mx.kipshouse.net", Issuer "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7826F2C6D for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karly@kipshouse.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kipshouse.org; i=@kipshouse.org; q=dns/txt; s=kh-ss; t=1467400561; x=1498936561; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; z=Date:=20Fri,=201=20Jul=202016=2011:57:19=20-0700|From: =20Karl=20Young=20|To:=20Allen=20|Cc:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org |Subject:=20Re:=20"Simple"=20Languages=20in=20FreeBSD |Message-ID:=20<20160701185719.GC28010@mailboy.kipshouse. net>|References:=20<20160630175243.063e07a7@KoggyBSD.org> =0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<20160701142250.2588c637@Kog gyBSD.org>|MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<2016070114 2250.2588c637@KoggyBSD.org>; bh=VHSG82Nl8mlGHWZjJGRyYies6EL6T+c/4qDbV89dsMs=; b=a1bNbMIkl8Lt8aS8vaalJkiNThj8JrqHVTnswH7zb4xGF3QUaRKHhyl1 nizRPCxPpq5GvIFA0/q2qK+SDCRiq3fjuBrUX9iC0lm8rlcEzLZQTs4K5 rfewpHDXN+LU61Q+ieaccvoaHWh8gnV10lMhXQO7PQIZC8BJaRSiCq/wB thLv1uDcwyDwHAiCqEIezNIYdypLogxmZmkNimBKmVbpPp84pqV7UdZGF pe3Lq6adPablG5d5eIf2LKikgka+QB5I0+eaX1kSqIpANRxIJtkGLuV/n SYTkpmTdTgqGWM24tYwQ8MbecBxqAeQuhoGYHfxurw3JX381pwcsSXPys Q==; Authentication-Results: d2.ironport.kipshouse.net; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none Received-SPF: None (d2.ironport.kipshouse.net: no sender authenticity information available from domain of karly@kipshouse.org) identity=pra; client-ip=2001:470:835a:1010::26; receiver=d2.ironport.kipshouse.net; envelope-from="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-sender="karly@kipshouse.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (d2.ironport.kipshouse.net: no sender authenticity information available from domain of karly@kipshouse.net) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=2001:470:835a:1010::26; receiver=d2.ironport.kipshouse.net; envelope-from="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-sender="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (d2.ironport.kipshouse.net: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mailboy.kipshouse.net) identity=helo; client-ip=2001:470:835a:1010::26; receiver=d2.ironport.kipshouse.net; envelope-from="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-sender="postmaster@mailboy.kipshouse.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-SBRS: None X-MID: 207181 X-RemoteIP: 2001:470:835a:1010::26 X-RemoteHost: 2001:470:835a:1010::26, mailboypriv.kipshouse.net X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5700,7163,8213"; a="207181" Received: from mailboypriv.kipshouse.net (HELO mailboy.kipshouse.net) ([IPv6:2001:470:835a:1010::26]) by d2.ironport.kipshouse.net with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2016 12:16:00 -0700 Received: by mailboy.kipshouse.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id B1CDE43C5E; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:57:19 -0700 From: Karl Young To: Allen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Simple" Languages in FreeBSD Message-ID: <20160701185719.GC28010@mailboy.kipshouse.net> References: <20160630175243.063e07a7@KoggyBSD.org> <20160701142250.2588c637@KoggyBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160701142250.2588c637@KoggyBSD.org> X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.kipshouse.org/karly X-Work-URL: http://www.cisco.com/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-12-10) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 19:16:00 -0000 Allen(bsd_atog@comcast.net)@2016.07.01 14:22:50 -0400: > On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:41:58 -0400 > Eventually I want to learn C, I'm going to be the contrarian here. If you want to learn C, start with C, (C, *not* C++), just start with something simple, and keep building on it. Any book that say you can learn a programming language in 24 hours (or 21 days: ), is probably not going to be helpful. If you already have hundreds of books, you probably have a copy of "The C Programmiing Language by Kernighan and Ritchie (The White Book)". Take as long as it takes to do all the exercises in the book. When you get stuck, get help, and stick with it. One Day at a Time. Good Luck -karl > and some day, if possible, I'd like to > learn Assembler just to get an idea of how the differences between > i386, i486, i586, i686, and MIPS, and basically learn the ins and outs > of old Sun hardware and Apple Hardware and SGI stuff. But really the > main goal I'd like to get to, is knowing C, but I've also learned that > before I learn C, I need to learn something simpler in terms of how it > works, like Perl, Python, Ruby, Shell Scripting, and so on, and once > I've gotten decent at one or two of those, I figured that would teach > me the Logical parts required for higher end things like C. I have read > a lot about Perl, and Ruby, and Python, and so I do know that any of > those three would be usable for more than just simple little Scripts, > and once I've learned maybe two of those, I figure it'll make learning > C easier. > > Sorry again for the length of this, it's not meant to irritate anyone, > but I thought the question as to why now all of a sudden did I want to > start learning this stuff was a valid question, and without going into > a bit of History I didn't know of any other way to answer that > question, so again, sorry about the length and chunk of my life story I > typed out, but I thought if I gave some history it would make the > reasons a bit more clear. > > Thank you everyone who replied, I value the opinions, > > -Allen > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"