From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 22 10:37:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE1737B726 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15356; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:37:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: scanner@jurai.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. In-Reply-To: <3ABA3EB1.B3DDE35B@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > scanner@jurai.net wrote: > > > > She need's specific information that we need that we cant get > > unless we sign NDA's for the doc's so she can try and get them merged into > > a reference product somewhere between the datasheet (worthless) and the > > programming manual (NDA). I know this is not ideal or what bill, jonathon, > > or others want. They would rather Intel just get a friggin clue and stop > > being anal. And while in the long term this may change it isn't going to > > be soon. She is willing to compromise and try and get us doc's on the bits > > we need. > > Let me just pipe in a bit. Compromise seems just like the kind of thing > marketing or legal would want to do. The problem is that _we_ cannot > compromise because one cannot write a "half-way there" driver. It's a > technical impossibility. No, no, no, no, no. You can write an open source driver that contains all the basic features one would want (i.e., Networking works). But advanced features in the manuals that a company considers valuable IP might not be open sourced (e.g., vlan tagging, teaming, crc offloading). Frankly, that's dumb, but as long as the basic reasonable support for a NIC is there I believe that meets a reasonable 'support' test. > > Now, if Bill Paul, Jonathan Lemon or whoever can come up with a > "compromise" that would work, fine. But otherwise, and I think otherwise > is likely, please explain the above to this person. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message