From owner-cvs-all Wed Jul 26 10: 4:40 2000 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E9637B713; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04651; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11807; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007261659.KAA11807@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Nate Williams , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Peter Wemm , Warner Losh , "Andrey A. Chernov" , Marcel Moolenaar , Will Andrews , Marcel Moolenaar , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile src/include Makefile src/release Makefile src/release/picobsd/build Makefile.mfs src/release/picobsd/custom Makefile.mfs src/release/picobsd/dial Makefile.mfs src/release/picobsd/install Makefile.mfs In-Reply-To: <20000726125721.Z51462@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <200007252213.PAA34677@netplex.com.au> <10733.964597601@localhost> <200007261456.IAA11238@nomad.yogotech.com> <20000726125721.Z51462@jade.chc-chimes.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > argument for me. Nothing browns-off a system administrator more than > > > variant, astonishing behavior at 3am. > > > > Given that FreeBSD's user-base exceeds all of the other BSD's, I find > > *this* a very weak argument. Folks who use FreeBSD rarely use the other > > BSDs, so most wouldn't be astonished at all, as they more likely have > > experience with Linux or WinXX than with another BSD. > > So we should use our large userbase to implement non-standard behavior > and justify it based soley on the fact that people will just accept it > out of ignorance on how other systems do it? Gimme a break Bill. Andrey and Warner (as security officer) has already explained why we're doing things differently. If the other OS's choose to be insecure, then let them. We don't always have to respond to security issues *after* every one else fixes them. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message