From nobody Thu Sep 5 17:06:47 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X05PW6BLCz5WQNf for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2024 17:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fvalasiad@proton.me) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X05PW2j7hz44qM for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 17:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fvalasiad@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1725556012; x=1725815212; bh=Alba2T8Wz2fRV07RS8KtRbf6acXdQuBWT3oP6+f+M9I=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=I/cfyEqTTqIYGs4oPQgiaP0DkT25HCGkOZCcZPNNqF3zuiTv0EPncqb/fmr8z1naF jer1xeMcAbxd6ENCHTeqFoyint4vwXPOLMh9k0Xx2P7TKZQLV/58BhYOlIqUj3O0lz XulmWyFyMgmMtKC2r7VD0xSl+YhN+5fspyVJ04sTUH9p3QWNOe9E/Uwdc4C2A9LvKi CxTH3VVlKN8rZyUJQmH+XE528tBzI8oVs7zHBIjMvi8pUI/R3146xwdaIbxfjdofrT 5EaxIXm+MewLxy55RdXERUzoOXI6YxOiMyjn590b/i/qpTug7NKeVd+jU/6zQlgfn2 rRf7/QD0/q7TA== Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2024 17:06:47 +0000 To: Anthony Pankov From: fvalasiad Cc: Rob Norris , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <605280185.20240905102312@yahoo.com> References: <202409031131.483BVdax004602@critter.freebsd.dk> <27925916.20240904133623@yahoo.com> <605280185.20240905102312@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 78761413:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: f91700eedb0af484d051a0f6d7223ec6ba825e74 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X05PW2j7hz44qM Hi Anthony On Thursday, September 5th, 2024 at 10:21 AM, Anthony Pankov wrote: > Yes, I also think that there are young C developers, the problem is how t= o attract them to develop FreeBSD without money. Relying on a minority's volunteering effort isn't the best plan if you ask = me. I am a regular FOSS contributor at this point, but the amount I contribute = during this time working in a proprietary environment is minimal compared t= o how much I contributed when I was paid to do FOSS two years ago. The time= simply doesn't add up. And that "minimal" volunteering effort has not been targeting FreeBSD so fa= r either. Linux steals plenty of the spotlight, while also currently strugg= les with an anticipated C developer shortage, leading them to invest to Rus= t in hopes to attract new contributors. I got to join this mailing list because I met Deb and other members back in= FOSDEM 2023, drawing my interest to target FreeBSD as the first port of th= e tool I developed at the time. Funding issue in FOSS as a problem isn't new, and we can only hope it's goi= ng to get resolved, eventually. Fotis.