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Date:      Fri, 8 Apr 2022 04:11:25 +0100
From:      tech-lists <tech-lists@zyxst.net>
To:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: nvidia-driver and no update in /usr/ports/UPDATING
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On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 03:34:57AM +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 00:00:34 +0100
>tech-lists <tech-lists@zyxst.net> wrote:
>
>> So *WHY* were the consequences of PR 261666 not in /usr/ports/UPDATING?
>> nvidia-driver was updated to (560) i think. 5-something.. the instance
>> before was moved to nvidia-driver-470 as it's now legacy. That's great
>> and all, but *WHY* the *F**K* isn't in *UPDATING??!??!?!?!*
>
>	You know if this was a commercial product for which you were paying
>for support and you spoke like that to a support worker you would get hung
>up on and blacklisted for verbal abuse. It is no more acceptable in text,
>especially since you are talking to users - I very much doubt that anyone
>involved will see your rant.

I disagree with you here, having supported commercial products
for over a decade. I thought my missive was mild; though that might be
cultural.

This isn't truly a rant, and I'm astonished you're discounting=20
it as such. I'm frustrated because it seems some ports maintainers
will not follow freebsd policies. That costs time and money,
makes people like me less likely to trust freebsd; it's all so=20
needless.

Yes, I realise freebsd is free. It markets itself as
"the power to serve". Well, it can't serve very well if port
maintainers fail to follow policy. So, maybe a better and=20
more honest slogan would be "the power to serve, but if you=20
use ports then, well, you're on your own". At least we'd know
where we are. As I understand it, there's no need to modify UPDATING
if the port has simply moved. But if the executable name changes=20
or if the version changes majorly and *especially* if it's a kernel
module then yeah I expect it to be in UPDATING.

>	Now to answer your question - there's nothing in UPDATING because
>the port maintainer for that port didn't put anything in there when they
>made the change.=20

I realised this before my post and it's the reason for it.

> So if you want to know why you could look up the
>maintainer (listed in the Makefile) and ask them *politely* about it -
>maybe they had to rush a child to hospital or attend some social event and
>forgot to do it. Whatever the reason they deserve politeness and gratitude
>for what they have done not abuse for what they haven't.

Here's a way to avoid the whole issue - update *UPDATING* before making=20
the change, and make that *mandatory* in order to update a port.

Having a polite communication with the maintainer is pointless in this=20
circumstance. See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D249252
which was ignored, twice. The problem is one of policy.

>	Or you could hurl anonymous abuse at the uninvolved with thinly
>disguised obscenities in a public forum to no effect whatsoever except to
>make yourself look foolish.

Foolish for articulating my frustration? You think my post is without
merit? It's the situation I'm frustrated with. There's a policy in
place for changes like this and as far as I can tell it's not being
followed in some cases. This makes like hell for me for any freebsd=20
system I support.

I guess you think it's better i ditch freebsd and use something else?
Maybe I should just bite my lip, shut up and go away?
--=20
J.

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