From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 4 17:55:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBF83E0A for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A86E22DEC for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id to1so6452130ieb.1 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:55:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=lfxerCB0bIXt1ssFvE/ECgf7bf45WQ+76lZVZDx93sE=; b=I9oxtcBttZ6Pol4Kc4Fng9qhlwItEvG46sPP7WmZOo6WSs+3dLD0LNl2ADF0POdgG9 sO6kJLeRyQx+ckmz5U/euFqscDU+caV6eHSrPzKmy2HL9tynpkAsXWGMjkc/x8Uxz1Qb Kn0D59Z9dPeNUEH0/XB8mEpqR4veBet+WGtXQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=lfxerCB0bIXt1ssFvE/ECgf7bf45WQ+76lZVZDx93sE=; b=W61EWKrnvq1hr6P7IeDEICmP9ik+jF3sbWB4hV1WQEeLf38G5dWfRiExMD8Y6beWe8 pn7E/s7rVYXsIA52DLdNCT0/YB2AxEjat+SiXX/HWwTIXrdHsp2CLJhl/BwYT7I/1igs MTQ4aAsyUFWp2NY7DqxICi6oLxVRak4d8Ef46vFno5ElbbDyB7xt4tae0S4cfquUP2Bj gDc7DKVoHqg2nZKI8hPBQ3uXtTDdptsFrBawGEAZ4sxbaElPw2NLfJGiHjmHxdIvMmFN j0KQT5buOMmtj8O5d7u2BXve3ENTWHwlcPDmGI0IvJXdo/ZMN6bg4YA0fYJsLYSOT5Kh kmTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnV3Q99hEbbRHo0LhWH2tUIO/kYg7woNQhS/YmDjtt7E0nDJR/wA31ORbx5Tn0x+141awsc X-Received: by 10.50.43.201 with SMTP id y9mr9830658igl.12.1401904524863; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.31.35.2] (75-128-101-59.dhcp.sgnw.mi.charter.com. [75.128.101.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mj5sm12039953igb.6.2014.06.04.10.55.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:55:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <7b7737a473e012b0604e44d0154d6fd5@mail.feld.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <7b7737a473e012b0604e44d0154d6fd5@mail.feld.me> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-2F4E3180-1DF2-4044-9ED9-D0C7323C1CB6; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) From: Jason Hellenthal Subject: Re: There is currently no usable release of FreeBSD. Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 13:55:21 -0400 To: John Kozubik X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:55:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2F4E3180-1DF2-4044-9ED9-D0C7323C1CB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All this seems like a moot freebsd-chat communication undeserving not for ha= ckers@ Would make for a perfect troll though . . . as there are no sound facts anyw= here within the original message. Personally if I was a shareholder and i seen that original message did just g= et someone else to do the job that would be more adequate to evaluate OS sol= utions properly and a timely manner. --=20 Jason Hellenthal Voice: 95.30.17.6/616 JJH48-ARIN > On Jun 4, 2014, at 13:47, Mark Felder wrote: >=20 >> On 2014-06-04 11:52, John Kozubik wrote: >> freebsd.org website shows the following: >> Production: 10.0 >> Legacy: 9.2, 8.4 >> Upcoming: 9.3 >> You can't put an x.0 release into production (a bigotry that is *well >> deserved* in light of 5.0 and 9.0) ... and 9.2 and 8.4 are legacy ... >> and we all know that 9.3 is as far as the 9 branch is going to go, so >> that's a dead end for any serious deployment. >=20 > Yes you can. You don't blindly update systems without knowing what you're g= etting into, so test test test. >=20 > See also: Netflix's presentation from vBSDCon: "Dis-spelling the myth of t= he 'dot-oh' release". >=20 >=20 >> Let's pretend for a moment that you are going to use FreeBSD for >> something other than FreeBSD development. Let's pretend that you have >> customers and shareholders and boardmembers and contracts and >> regulators. >=20 > I do. They're all on FreeBSD 10.0. >=20 >> Which version of FreeBSD would you use ? >=20 > 10.0. 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