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[209.85.210.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17sm1565319oty.48.2020.02.18.09.40.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id r27so20291823otc.8; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:865:: with SMTP id 92mr3972426oty.6.1582047600455; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:40:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:39:49 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Ed Maste Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , FreeBSD Stable , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MSmM3QYTz3K7F X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=fX6tlpsm; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::343) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.15)[ip: (2.90), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.89), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:40:04 -0000 On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:51 PM Ed Maste wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 05:37, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > > Maybe its a time to give OpenBSD a try.. > > I really don't understand this comment, either. Certainly give OpenBSD > a try and if it fits your needs better that's great. > > As far as I'm aware OpenBSD issues a release every six months and > supports the most recent two releases, so it seems odd to me to > complain about FreeBSD's ~1 year minor release support lifetime and 5 > year stable branch support lifetime in that context. Its more like "lets try if what I need works better over there". Not really the release timeline. The release timeline problem is more related with pushing untested features (and possible avalanche of solutions that introduce yet another complications that we observe right now). "The BSD Way", for me, was always about "it works solid or its not there". Like macOS / iOS. Unlike "The Linux Way" where things changes upside down from release to release and each one of them has its own universe of variants. Like Android. I am not sure if it is that important if there is a release in 6 month or 2 years. Not a problem at all. If in two years I get a 5 new features that work rock solid then it seems a better choice than getting new features every six months and have more problems on a production because of that. If I need to experiment there is a CURRENT branch. For well tested features I have STABLE. For rock solid "I bet my money on that" I have a RELEASE. Right? I did miss the 12.0 EoL kind of fix for DRM, sorry, it seems reasonable. I am just worried that 12.2-RELEASE will have the same problems, if not more new problems. Maybe I should go back to 11 and see how things work over there :-P Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info