From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 22 07:10:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EA6A993B for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23DF587511 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1563779430; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=tVEOQie07H0MhFuKSIufoQEcyQE+GhA2LwlTnbGUEbk=; b=EmiUqY191jO7vCUAjW6Qxoh2bBKu1S68iPQSVGWMCVQAsFYSXsW2yC190alPoGrfkN g7YikZSBKqtVhantZq4RShUQ7mIEL+YvgMrKdv6IHAptGhmQ5T9EElBz9Tc15TbLkD3R WiEfrYD8D3C44+eQPG1cPQe5Bw/+tajjtugpcyj75UTssf/nzNPoGAYZWFZPOsvc9q5w ZDpzHU0TfKl2dLK6q4SZVgwnie02B1pNUgXZEh5FD+yNYVxmy25HaDnNNaYosoQOHKUO vXgU7CIPHET8e+EnyDHKM0FMxws1wok1YYgjBpv/0g8BbFpdUE0knVR6rucMRDxyNag3 rvmA== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv6M7AUqHz (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:10:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpSSr-00027n-Mn; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:10:29 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hpSSr-0001LE-KW; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:10:29 +0200 From: hw To: George Hartzell Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? In-Reply-To: <20190721183239.GA3996@c720-r342378> (Matthias Apitz's message of "Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:39 +0200") Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:43:20 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <875znu603b.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91wqjl5.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23851.63340.445828.46420@alice.local> <87sgr7joq7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190716003705.eaa7db5f.freebsd@edvax.de> <8736j6iw12.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <23860.43628.637748.236257@alice.local> <20190721183239.GA3996@c720-r342378> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 23DF587511 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=EmiUqY19 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.992,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtpin.rzone.de]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.206,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.72)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.18), asn: 6724(-0.42), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:10:34 -0000 Matthias Apitz writes: > El d=C3=ADa domingo, julio 21, 2019 a las 11:09:48a. m. -0700, George Har= tzell escribi=C3=B3: > >> hw writes: >> > Polytropon writes: >> > [...] >> > The most time consuming part would be to learn and to decide about all >> > the options of all the packages to compile. Doing that for just one >> > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many >> > dependencies. [...] >> > >> > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I >> > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools >> > might be the smallest problem. >>=20 >> All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. >> Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y >> begets z. >>=20 >> I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, >> even if you switch back to pre-built packages. > > I compile my own set of the ports I'm used to use with poudriere(8). > Based on a list of some 400 ports the result is some 2000 packages ready > to install. Very seldom, I tweak the options of some port (for example > to add features to mail/mutt, or to add features to x11/xterm) and there = are > never conflicts among of the options. Hm, is there something in place that prevents messing up things through options, or is everything ok because you almost never change them?