From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 11 20:28:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EA59BA; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from obrien@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE6532611; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8BKST9r053636; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:28:29 GMT (envelope-from obrien@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r8BKSS1o053630; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:28:28 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:28:27 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: David Chisnall Subject: Re: GCC withdraw Message-ID: <20130911202827.GC85978@dragon.NUXI.org> Mail-Followup-To: obrien@freebsd.org, David Chisnall , John Baldwin , "Sam Fourman Jr." , toolchain@FreeBSD.org, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org CURRENT" , Boris Samorodov , FreeBSD Current References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <201308291057.43027.jhb@freebsd.org> <8F836479-BC3A-4679-A7AA-3BCDD34AE6C5@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8F836479-BC3A-4679-A7AA-3BCDD34AE6C5@FreeBSD.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT X-MUA-Host: dragon.NUXI.org X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? X-NSA-real-insignia: https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/nsa-all-your-data.png User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD Current , toolchain@FreeBSD.org, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org CURRENT" , "Sam Fourman Jr." , Boris Samorodov X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:28:30 -0000 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 06:02:06PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > rather busy organising the DevSummit. The notes for the sessions will > be posted to various mailing lists soon (and summarised for a special > status report), but since the ports and toolchain build sessions are > already largely up you can check these on the wiki. You'll notice that > in both sessions the topic of removing gcc / libstdc++ was raised and > there was no objection (not sure if it's in the notes, but there was a > lot of support during the ports session from people who didn't want the > pain of maintaining compatibility with gcc-in-base, and especially with > g++/libstdc++ in base). And committers need to learn that Devsummit discussions (and optional wiki's) are just like IRC ones -- we're all not there. But we're on the mailing lists. That's how we communicate far-and-wide. John and others bring up really good points. Until GCC is no longer used to build FreeBSD on any platform it should remain in all platforms. If part of your reasoning is to free up "gcc" and "g++" commands for ports -- fine, but change the names /usr/bin/gcc and /usr/bin/g++ on all platforms for something else. /usr/bin/fbsd-gcc & /usr/bin/fbsd-g++ or what not. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)