From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 25 19:38:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.iadfw.net (mail2.iadfw.net [206.66.12.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E74F37B698 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from jason from [64.31.207.237] by mail2.iadfw.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.47) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:38:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005b01c0874a$21d4d5a0$edcf1f40@pdq.net> From: "Jason Smethers" To: References: <20010125161451.A60779@rfx-216-196-73-168.users.reflex> Subject: Re: Genuine Electronic Warfare on Crackers Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:43:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Crist J. Clark" > I just thought this was 2 kewl, d00dz, > > http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/article.html?id=143 > > That's bona fide electronic warfare in software, kids. Really scary, > but just so cool. My common sense guess... No one can really figure out why they waited? Comeon... They were waiting for a financially opportune time - like the current potential for a buy out. The "warfare" bull is the same about the same thing that happened to analog cable boxes. It will be short term and in the not to distant future the "hacking" will likely bypass the card and move to the DSS receiver itself like it did with the analog cable boxes black/gray markets moving from prom chips to making the boxes. Its somewhat obvious that if the media is already broken to the point sending of unauthorized channels with a card change/reprogram then it will stay broken until the security system is redesigned in a sane manner. But that would require a bit more design and planning then is currently put out like with DVD "encryption". As I see it there are three next possible steps for hacking. 1.) Start manufacturing cards that are totally reprogrammable. 2.) Start hacking the proms in the DSS receivers. 3.) Start manufacturing black/gray market DSS receivers. There really isn't anything "devilishly clever" about the current effort. In fact, it is a waste of time in the long run. You can usually only patch something so many times before it can no longer be fixed but needs to be replaced. - Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message