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From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
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Subject: Re: ipfw vs ipfilter
To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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> > Heh:) 
> > Well..intresting enough it always works this way - first ppl take it, then
> > they screw it  and then they say it's bad and take something else. 
> > Thanx guys...
> 
> With all due respect, Ugen, the code was a filthy mess when you gave
> it to us and was in absolutely no shape to continue using in that way.
> It was bad to start with and nobody needed to "screw" anything.  If
> anything it's been substantially improved over the last 6 months or
> so, but dressing a pig in tuxedo still doesn't change him from being a
> pig.

Not to defend the code, but this is the same tuxedo/pig argument I
get when I suggest UNIX instead of a Microsoft OS (UNIX being the
pig in the aphorism).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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