From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jan 8 19:35: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from culverk.student.umd.edu (culverk.student.umd.edu [129.2.211.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D426F37B400 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by culverk.student.umd.edu (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f093Ye400351; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:34:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Culver To: Debbie Machado Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In case I don't see yah: Good afternoon, good evening, and good night. In-Reply-To: <001301c079e9$01696880$19bad818@debbie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG whatever you say.... you insulted ME on a very large mailing list... I didn't think it was funny. Stop looking down your nose at me long enough to realize that you have just turned away several thousands of people from ever becoming christian... ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade. | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Debbie Machado wrote: > Hey Ken, I told everybody here that after the holidays you would be so bored > you would be back at it when you returned from the holidays on Monday. I > just peaked in to see if I was right. Somehow, I always seem to upset > Christians more then atheists. "A Christian like me", hey? I must ruffle > your feathers. Get a bigger rule book, maybe I will fit into that one. Oh > well, before I shut you out again, I thought I would send you a Christian > joke. It's God putting hot sauce on his pizza. Oh yea, before I forget Ken, > Christians do like to cut up, and that's all I was doing; I was giving it > right back to them after they had given it to me. I guess you didn't read > what was said to me or else you wouldn't have thought I told them they suck > for disagreeing with me. They sucked for another reason - and I didn't take > what they said to me serious or personally and they didn't take what I said > personal. There was only one person I wrote to that I really struck a nerve > with, and he knows who he is, and hopefully he will walk into a Christian > church that doesn't judge him because he is searching. Christians do joke, > and argue, and cutup, and smoke pot, and judge, and deny other Christians. > If you think I could insult someone like Jeremiah or anyone else over > there - believe me - I don't have that kind of power in my cut-up. They are > not insulted by me, they could give a sh_t less about me or what I believe. > So, if it is your gain to agree with them by disagreeing with me in hopes to > find a common ground with them - re-read your Bible. Besides that, it's > fake, and they can smell it. You are not going to win any souls that way, > but you might keep your admin job if you get along with everyone. If your > the type of "good" Christian you claim to be, then under YOUR biblical rules > they are YOUR enemy, not mine, and YOUR kissing YOUR own enemies ass. I > cussed, good Christians don't cuss - right - wrong! No ones my enemy, not > you, not them, because there isn't a you and them, there is only an US. Be > yourself. And, He will work through you, we can't do anything ourselves - > good behavior or bad behavior. I was cutting up and that is not shameful, > denying "one of God's", may be. You didn't say a person like me, you said > people like me. Meaning, you've run into more then one Christian like me and > have denied them too. But, I am not the judger. Ken, have you been praying > before writing or reading these? Because you missed the big one. There was > ONE person out there that wrote who needed to hear something - and he > needed to hear it my way, not your way, and he did! And none of us has > heard from him since, because he's thinking about what was said to him. I > was though then, and shut it down, what is keeping you here? Maybe, there is > something you need to hear also - so I will go on. I WILL NOT CHANGE MYSELF > UNLESS HE CHANGES ME. As long as I can hear His voice and see His works in > front of me, I WILL stop to talk to anyone about whatever they want and in > any direction they want to take it, and in their vocabulary. "A Christian > like me", - right Ken, you probably think there are bad Christians and good > Christians. Most of us radically saved Christians would not be here if we > thought all Christians where like you and we had to live up to certain > standards. I heard the Word through another type of Christian, so don't be > too judgmental on what are Christian examples, ect. I don't set any > examples! I can't do anything! I can only be what He has made me to be, and > if you judge that - you judge His works. You claim to have a certain > standard and criticize others who do not live up to it, when you did to me, > what you accused me of doing to them. Are you listening? Can I recommend a > book: "Christian Burnout", maybe that will help you in your turmoil about > getting so upset and bothered by Christians like me. For me, seriously, > here is how I see it: If only I could love, like Christ loves me, then I > would be patient with Christians like you. Some Christians think that the > apostles where told not to eat meat because the ones around them where > "baby" Christians. You know the verse and the term. I have been eating > meat around you, and that is my sin; not what I did, but that it offended > you not anyone else. I fall way short of being Christ like. What did Paul > say: why do I keep doing the things that tempt me, when I struggle so not > to? Or doubting Thomas, or how about the one who betrayed Christ? I guess > they are all sinning Christians like me, so what do they know anyhow? In > Him, - Debbie P.S. Ken, all we did was take a step, we just got on the > boat with the rest of the saved - anything we've done since that day or > after that day, means nothing to God. The only reason He has anything to do > with us, is because of Christ's blood, not our good deeds, behavior, or > personality. God doesn't play brownie point games, nor does he distinguish > good Christians, true Christians, from bad Christians or little sin from big > sin, that is man's world. What you REALLY don't like Ken, is that I will be > there by your side, we will meet; it's your atheist buddies, who you are > apologizing to for MY behavior, who will not be there with you! Until > then... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Culver [mailto:culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:26 AM > To: Jeremiah Gowdy > Cc: Debbie Machado; ; greid@ukug.uk.freebds.org > Subject: Re: LOL > > > No problem... I'm tired of people getting turned away from christianity > because of people like this person. > > > ================================================================= > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade. | > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | > | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > ================================================================= > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > > /* > > > > As a fellow christian, I'm embarrased that people like you exist. Since > when > > do christians tell others that they suck just because they have a > > disagreement. You made a false conclusion that yahoo was against > > christianity, and all that mailed you back told you that. I myself just > > personally went to the yahoo site, and some of those cards look plenty > > christian to me.... Jesus and all... I really don't know what you're > talking > > about, and truthfully, I don't think you have any right mailing a list > that > > is there so that people can get help using FreeBSD with your assumption > that > > everyone on the list is christian. Frankly, I'm annoyed because it's > > christians like you that turn away non-christians. > > */ > > > > See, Christmas is truly a time when brothers of all faith (or lack > thereof) > > can come together and feel like part of a community, and that community as > a > > whole can tell someone how stupid they're acting (read: acting stupid != > you > > are stupid). :) > > > > I am most definitely turned away. lol > > > > Thanks for being the true Christian here Ken, and speaking up. I used to > be > > a Christian myself, until for personal reasons, I went a different path. > > But I know what it is to be a Christian and how to speak to other > > non-Christians while being respectful of them and their beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message