From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 20:24:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2F016A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (user-0cdfenm.cable.mindspring.com [24.215.186.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB26D43FDD for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:24:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@online.fr) Received: (qmail 3946 invoked by uid 1002); 14 Nov 2003 04:24:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:24:15 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20031114042415.GA3775@online.fr> References: <20031113233628.GA56182@xor.obsecurity.org> <20031114002204.GA1035@online.fr> <20031114004740.GA56759@xor.obsecurity.org> <20031114034634.GA3086@online.fr> <20031114040935.GB58520@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031114040935.GB58520@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.20 i686 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The future of X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:24:17 -0000 Kris Kennaway said on Nov 13, 2003 at 20:09:35: > > Well much depends on the monitor. If you claim that the same fonts, > > antialiased on both systems, are fine on windows and not on XFree86, > > that's definitely a problem. > > Yes. Out of curiosity, were the fonts also too blurry to read on KeithP's recent screenshots, http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/ ? To my eyes, those are about as good as fonts get (I haven't seen more readable small fonts on windows or MacOS X) and they are perfectly readable on my screen, even the tiny ones in the mozilla menu in screen1.png. I'm currently looking at them on a 1400x1050 laptop LCD screen, but saw them earlier today on a 1600x1200 CRT screen, they're fine on both though I'd pick a bigger font size for the menus. The fonts in the screenshot look to me like Bitstream Vera. The Microsoft fonts in the "x11-fonts/webfonts" port are equally good on my system (ie, as good as on any windows machine I've seen), but older free TTF fonts (URW fonts, etc) are definitely blurrier and often not hinted right at small sizes. Rahul