From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 21:33:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1075F16A417 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF14513C448 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071202213343.RAOA5378.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:33:43 -0500 Received: from mezz.mezzweb.com ([24.255.149.218]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id KxUV1Y0024iy4EG0000000; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:28:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:38:37 -0600 To: "David Southwell" From: "Jeremy Messenger" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4752827F.20902@gmail.com> <20071202093625.D63241@laptop.unixathome.org> <200712021137.23146.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200712021137.23146.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.24 (Linux) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 21:33:44 -0000 On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:37:22 -0600, David Southwell wrote: > On Sunday 02 December 2007 06:41:12 Dan Langille wrote: >> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> > 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system? >> >> Good people doing the heavy lifting >> >> > 4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system? >> >> Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting. >> >> > 8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general? >> >> Since 1998. > > Well in this case the people doing the talking are also committing > themselves > to the lifting so I guess you would say here that the advocates of > change are > on the side of the angels. > > I trust you are not dedicated to becoming a permanent member of the > opposition!! If so I might be tempted to say the worst aspect of the > current > system is that there are too many people determined to deny the need for > change irrespective of merit. Sad, I second on Dan's answer for #4 question. It's not that we opposite it. It's faith that we don't have. It's not first time for people to keep talk with no action. It's called bikeshed. The share/gnome/ -> share/ project was very successful, because I have pushed it hard. I did 90 committed in MC CVS per day about two or three times and did a lot of work on hundreds of port. Whomever start to talk will have to be expect to do a lot of works to get success. I suggest you to get start to setup a team, setup ports development somewhere, and make sure you have changes available. Then we will starting to have a faith on this project. Cheers, Mezz > David -- mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team - FreeBSD Multimedia Hat (ports, not src) http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org http://wiki.freebsd.org/multimedia - multimedia@FreeBSD.org