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Date:      Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:21:51 +1100
From:      Tony Landells <ahl@austclear.com.au>
To:        Duraid <latif2221@home.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: NAT with ipfw? 
Message-ID:  <200102262321.KAA07949@tungsten.austclear.com.au>
In-Reply-To: Message from Duraid <latif2221@home.com>  of "Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:55:05 -0000." <3A9A0BD9.FE92DCB4@home.com> 

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> if the default policy is to deny every thing then why you firewall is
> full with deny rulls. shouldn't it just have the allow rulls since
> everything else is going to be droped by default.

Because sometimes it's easier to weed out some stupid stuff early on
so that the allow rules are simpler.

For example, without using a deny rule, try to do the following:

	permit telnet to 192.43.185.68 from anything except RFC1918
	addresses (10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, 192.168.0.0/16).

It just doesn't work.

> other thing i think your firewall is stateless (using establish). if you
> have made it statefull (using keep-state) i think it would be much
> smaller.

It would be different, maybe better, maybe worse depending on your views.
For an example configuration, I think this version is easier for newbies
to understand.  People that understand state properly can work out how to
code it with less help (usually).  But that's just my opinion.

Cheers,
Tony
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Tony Landells					<ahl@austclear.com.au>
Senior Network Engineer				Ph:  +61 3 9677 9319
Australian Clearing Services Pty Ltd		Fax: +61 3 9677 9355
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525 Collins Street
Melbourne VIC 3000
Australia



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