From nobody Fri Apr 8 03:39:58 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9BD1A81F40 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2022 03:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd000497a491.a0f60d0a8dd4f92b24d416baf4b30800@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KZPC96dM9z4Wcf for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2022 03:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd000497a491.a0f60d0a8dd4f92b24d416baf4b30800@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1649389206; x=1651981206; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=IIyg1tSz22h2320k0XZzjXmesVdjMTAdaRZoxTjvFrU=; b=FRW6NGXC3+PTVtIY2tAUBH1Nd+D94MXu6/jE3WCvcc+jWvkX8Q9vu0DxlPRD2huS///TJqSYAKrCmnzcgiriMbNkFKsgHVISUhjh56yLt4ceYVBf2r8IORTuHTkQ02ra7BjUzBTcMl44DxwT314s1DN4OTIlKZZiFWpN3fQEAnk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkZDAwMDQ5N2E0OTEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Apr 2022 23:40:01 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 7 Apr 2022 23:40:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ncfTb-000M7D-1Y; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 04:39:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 04:39:58 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nvidia-driver and no update in /usr/ports/UPDATING Message-Id: <20220408043958.788fb8e1d0d404c590a211d2@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20220408040100.7ce89e7d46a0cea249a89711@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KZPC96dM9z4Wcf X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=FRW6NGXC; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4dd000497a491.a0f60d0a8dd4f92b24d416baf4b30800@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4dd000497a491.a0f60d0a8dd4f92b24d416baf4b30800@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd000497a491.a0f60d0a8dd4f92b24d416baf4b30800@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd000497a491.a0f60d0a8dd4f92b24d416baf4b30800@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.189.1:received]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 04:21:55 +0100 tech-lists wrote: > Where, exactly, did I rant, in that report? Honestly, I can't > see where. It's a rant because it's not actionable. You failed to explain the impact on the user - you clearly know what the impact was but I couldn't tell from your bug report what the entry needed to tell the user just that you thought one was needed to tell people something about a name change. A suggested entry would go a *long* way to getting it addressed - you clearly know what the entry should say having solved the problems yourself but you didn't bother to share your experience in detail. > From my reading of it, it's completely reasonable. I illustrated the > before and after, explained the problem, and revisited it when the > same problem happened again. Both times unanswered. Because you didn't provide a solution when you could and should have done so and you didn't make it easy for the triager to assess the importance of the bug. > I think I may have errored in that on submission I didn't do > the maintainer ? thing. At the time I thought submitting > the report was sufficient. No it isn't - you the bug reporter are part of the solution the onus is on the reporter to write an actionable bug report - one of the benefits of commercial software development is that when a bug report isn't up to standard we developers get to punt it back to a professional to do the leg work. Volunteer projects don't have that expensive luxury and rely on users to provide actionable bug reports - and the most actionable ones are the ones with patches and naming the person best suited to review the patch and commit it. That's what makes it a community project. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith