From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 9 19:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05811 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05789; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (kosnax-42.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.64.46]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id CAA25153; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:39:41 GMT Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23365; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:39:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Message-Id: <199804100239.VAA23365@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:39:30 -0500 (CDT) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: dshanes@personalogic.com, brett@lariat.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" In-Reply-To: <3980.892169423@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.2-971023-FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > I was told by Eric Raymond (whom I met briefly at the Mozilla party) > that the *BSD people were deliberately excluded because there were too > many BSDs and they didn't want to get involved in any political issues > over it. I find these continuous allegations of the BSD world being > gratuitously and needlessly "split" (even though each *BSD seeks to > fill a different niche) by the Linux community to be rather tiresome > considering the amount of division in their own ranks and can only see > this as something of a double standard, but I've long since given up > on any hope of fair play from this particular crowd. > > This and several other incidents of a similar nature has pretty much > convinced me that this crowd would rather prefer it if we really > didn't exist at all and is going to essentially conduct their > operations as if we didn't. Oh well. Perhaps it *IS* time to go on > the PR offensive here ("Why Linux doesn't work") since playing nice > guys hasn't appeared to have won us anything but lots of nice comments > from folks like Marc A. at netscape to the effect that "Linux is the > only free OS alternative." I'm getting tired of that, and if it's > going to take "breaking ranks" with the rest of the free OS community > to get our own message out, maybe it's time. > > Jordan Amen!! From what you say, the time appears to have come. There are enough of them to eat us alive it we sit on our buts and just observe. A kick ass attitude can be a very good thing if things are indeed as you say they are. I am no politician, but that appears to be what is going on here. In that case the more noise and fsck you the better. Stake our ground and strut our stuff. Frank > > > To All, > > This is the message that I sent Tim O'Reilly, the founder of > O'Reilly > > and Associates. Next I will send you his response. > > > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Shanes > > To: tim@oreilly.com > > Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 11:45 AM > > Subject: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" > > > > > > >Mr. O'reilly, > > > I applaud ORA's endorsement of Open Source software. It is a > huge step > > >to gather together the "forefathers" of some of the most popular > and stable > > >software in use on the Internet today. > > > Personally, I use FreeBSD and was wondering if there was any > particular > > >reason that the developers of FreeBSD were not included in your > "Freeware > > >Summit". > > > FreeBSD has much to offer over Linux and has a huge > developer/user > > base, > > >including Yahoo! and CDROM.COM. > > > > > >Sincerely, > > >David Shanes > > >_____________________________________________________ > > >David Shanes 7535 Metropolitan > Drive > > >dshanes@personalogic.com San Diego, CA 92108 > > >Database Developer (619) 220-5800 x228 > > >PersonaLogic, Inc. (619) 220-5899 (fax) > > >http://www.PersonaLogic.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message