From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 25 21:19:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FC4106566C for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B288FC18 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so2788821qyk.13 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7V8RsXo55IbVSqHKxcH7xY96hUyRfQB29b35optFrkw=; b=ww/2rapPNIaJ19W461S6fdj15ZSoHptVpwONx7NwQwQwN9pAtLgfn86c+QuV5QT8ze tMPRMFxMhz9PtwZ9yzFbICRCc0YsdSmYgwnpBFrEqut8F8B7LGLyGmpsnodwqdWoSWCI Y2hTEUOeQ7CGnpWfhXOx6IBvFXv/NN7ur07Nw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ZpIOGPIO8sz2GdyTJP+tvlC5KdrtiAdHdcdEZ16cHcIC7Glq2TFjTAQT82WjbAjB5x xNrMHP1Cnvi7Ma1YevRfJnoLbaTwPLIeoAe8jtSSYnEU49shXMjWb3BZuu6k7U2ohSO+ 2tt3oeuIhS+SnmfDMc3z4W/xd7y9c6flv9uDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.5 with SMTP id ca5mr3856605qcb.150.1285449598376; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.209 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C9E5744.5090702@bitfreak.org> References: <20100910234830.87641e07.ray@ddteam.net> <4C8ACE52.8060000@FreeBSD.org> <20100915.082513.802140508206832836.imp@bsdimp.com> <4C9E5744.5090702@bitfreak.org> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:19:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:30:05 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ray@ddteam.net, kimelto@gmail.com, demelier.david@gmail.com, dougb@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, mj@feral.com, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: DHCP server in base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:19:59 -0000 On 25 September 2010 21:10, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > M. Warner Losh wrote: > >> It would be very convenient to have this particular thing in the base, and >> we shouldn't be too dogmatic about never having any new 3rd >> party things in the base. >> > > Please no, don't add optional servers to the base. I already don't like > sendmail, bind, ntpd and inetd in the base. These are *optional* > software--not required for the normal operation of the OS. They aren't > even enabled by default except sendmail. Adding sendmail_enable="NONE" > to /etc/rc.conf is one of the first things I do on all new systems. I > only barely tolerate openssl in the base because it's needed for > openssh; however, I'd rather both of those be in ports as well. > > There's also the issue of updating: > > It's very annoying to have to update the OS just to fix a BIND or > OpenSSL vulnerability and, let's be honest, we'll likely never see the > last of those. Rebooting a production server is non-trivial. By-hand > partial installworlds on live systems are a disturbing prospect. If it > was a port, just update the port. Its far easier justifying updating a > port than modifying the OS on a production server. The Ports System > makes updating a port so fast and painless I can do many of the > non-user-facing ones without an announced downtime. > > It's trivial installing ports and utterly so installing packages. I'd > love to see us use the awesomeness that is the Ports System to manage > these things. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > have a look at man src.conf and named_program