From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 14 10:46:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16973 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16962 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id KAA14082; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014080; Wed Aug 14 10:45:00 1996 Message-ID: <3212106D.2F1CF0FB@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:44:13 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw vs ipfilter References: <710.840034499@critter.tfs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <14773.840033327@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >> Heh:) > >> Well..intresting enough it always works this way - first ppl take it, then > >> they screw it and then they say it's bad and take something else. > >> Thanx guys... > > > >With all due respect, Ugen, the code was a filthy mess when you gave > >it to us and was in absolutely no shape to continue using in that way. Jordan, sometimes you need to take lessons in diplomacy :-) let's be quite clear about this.. IPFW when it cam in was a young and imature product.. it had good ideas, but it was obviously an early version of what it might become. it had all the failings of early versions.. hacks and shortcuts biung two of them. This is expected in early revision software.. The only thing that was wrong with ipfw is that Ungen ran out of time to keep cleaning and improving it.. Darren on the other hand has kept improving ipfilter. > > Not to mention that it didn't work as it gave impression of doing. > > The only think I have against ditching ipfw and replacing with ipfilter > is that the later is getting to big for comfort. this is truely a problem.. Daren wants to keep improving it with new features etc.. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. > http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. > whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. > Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so.