From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 12:54:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95330106564A; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@theravensnest.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575A98FC22; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk (c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.18.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72Csbic078991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:54:38 GMT (envelope-from theraven@theravensnest.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:54:35 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:58:16 +0000 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe , Warner Losh Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:54:49 -0000 On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: > I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation = for > even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking > anymore because year after year my requests were met with any of: > indifference, hostility, shrugged shoulders (that's a hard problem = that > we can't solve), or embarrassment. Since if the right people around = here > want something to happen, it happens; I finally came to the conclusion > that they didn't want remote participation to happen, so it won't. > That's a shame. You haven't asked for this for the Cambridge DevSummit, but others have = and so we have arranged for cameras and microphones to be available for = two of the sessions (the DocSummit and the ARM working group) to allow = those who can not attend in person for various reasons to participate. =20= I don't know how useful it will be (hopefully everything will work, but = my experience with video conferencing is that it stops working as soon = as you try to do something important with it), but there is certainly no = active attempt to exclude people who can't attend. =20 After each DevSummit, the results seem to appear on the wiki quite = promptly - often during the sessions. At BSDCan this year, two of the = working groups that I attended used OpenEtherPad to take minutes, so = they were available in real time for non-attendees and people outside of = the room were able to add things to them. There are usually people in = the room on IRC as well, who are willing to relay things from people = outside. David=