From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 25 12:09:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00427 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29917 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-79-32.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.32]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA62952; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:06:27 GMT Message-ID: <35422D4D.166C9BC2@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:37:01 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Lea CC: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Andreessen: Linux use growing References: <35412238.41C67EA6@asme.org> <199804242344.JAA08131@cimlogic.com.au> <19980425185920.A8244@shale.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeremy Lea wrote: > I would really like to see them 'encouraged' into a FreeBSD model. I think > that the importance of mozilla.org lies in publicity, not in it becoming a YES! > 'killer app'. The project has a very high media status, and will attract > more companies to look into open source software. If they develop a > fanatical Linux type structure then it will make people weary, and if they > just try to emulate M$, then people would rather go straight to Bill. But if > they see a level headed, mature organisation, with committed people and a > bossiness like manner (which I believe FreeBSD has most of the time ;), then bossy-ness? I know there've been heavyhanded squelches, but I hope you mean 'business'... :) > My wish is that FreeBSD would leverage (now there's a nice marketing word :) > their existing worldwide mirrors to make an 'instant' worldwide mozilla.org > (ie cvsup.za.mozilla.org, etc), by making pointers in mozilla.org's DNS to > freebsd.org's and getting the FreeBSD mirror sites to mirror Mozilla (via > CVS and FTP tarballs of the source and binaries). We could do this quickly > and it wouldn't consume much resources (not as much as say the distfiles or > packages). We could also help them set up GNATS, www mirrors, cvsweb > interfaces, and other infrastructure to help them. FreeBSD's mirror > infrastructure is something that none of the Linux distributions can offer, > although we must not stop them from using other mirror sites and especially > from weaning themselves off our infrastructure. EXCELLENT! > As for advocacy, I've found in my short life that the best way to make > friends is to give without asking in return. If they want to thank us for > the help then that is up to them, but if they don't then we don't help them > so much. I think the current netscape people within mozilla.org are clever > enough to know that. If we go with "you can have my toy, but only if you > promise to be my friend" blackmail, then it will put them off. We could ask > them after doing it, and it is working, if they wouldn't mind making a joint > press release. We could also ask for a FreeBSD developer(s) to be given > access to their CVS tree to be responsible for the FreeBSD version of > Mozilla. And in the future when we politely ask Netscape why the FreeBSD > version of Communicator is not officially supported we'd get a much > friendlier response. This seems like the best way to _leverage_ every aspect of FreeBSD for instant advantage, and your comments about giving and doing first without expectation are very cogent to all -advocacy discussions here, mine included. Thank you for your level-headed ideas! --> Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message