From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 3 15:39:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911C8ED325B for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic310-13.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic310-13.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C62F6E681 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 15:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: YFXaqSoVM1mYuk0RFmthSnapyiyUG8tGF.mTdeni8vmZpytYJtGH5UpVqFB4Slf VnoU3CRvtc3v6eyoZo1SFb6PvfYYQC2xNAn_ubSOTsPTEqOJaz6HTvJZRaGRicUFhJD7SqnefawG b1t7wjXjBScf2EH6aEo9clyHy_h4knT15LHnuX2c4V3bsMDXLuKqO4PaXQ7YmGTsBdPodbBhEIg8 5WEhBFUf2q7MMkY0WJ7pqliQzOULZ1M.JgMOU2ukqwjFkzxtX9rsXbIY3fyZr_So_yn0K78_WNU0 U_juztVQ5nhvPOocnlVdH0_5kz0xCcq93mRzY0tVsDFFTiPJfm2pEvYqZTXajSAWm2VLxlP3N3O9 XaHGFaOTLoStCBUHx1BKuTnvhb3fwu9KT_f1QnRNcG70sVUweliBdx6Lck9hBpS99bMPiV1k0rW0 mp9L3zZJpqo_puflFtP1VgqnGU6LDZ0JDQFLEATjb92KUVq.ev63V8y9vTQA2E1MZ9d0Qv7GMYeT psH6DLkdM4cB6AFxsTuMEYgXdDHKkZVFDOiWCO1cNcJpcKCSi2mo- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 15:39:02 +0000 Received: from smtp171.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (EHLO archlinux.localdomain) ([46.228.39.38]) by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID 5a475486c1843904cce9ca3c9636c93e; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 15:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:39:02 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: German keyboard support for gdm??? Message-ID: <20180203163902.0ae3ea93@archlinux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20180203133622.1b4048de.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20180202141115.aa7bbf16.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180203050115.102d6f98@archlinux.localdomain> <1517646306.4926.3.camel@alice-dsl.net> <1517646733.4926.6.camel@alice-dsl.net> <20180203133622.1b4048de.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0git24 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 15:39:10 -0000 On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 13:36:22 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >Overriding an X (global!) setting is still a bad idea for "the right >behaviour" for GDM, in my opinion... but well, that's Linux... ;-) I won't tolerate that :D! Asuming this should be the case, then it's a GTK/GNOME folks related upstream default config issue! I suspect that several display managers or their greeters provide an option to override X settings, but this at least is disabled by default (if this should be the GDM culprit, theire still is the chance for the FreeBSD maintainers to care about the defaults ;). However, FreeBSD does provide Linux DEs. At least the "big" DE's seem to require Wayland as an X replacement in the close future. The last time I used FreeBSD + Linux I was on Xfce, nowadays I'm using Linux only and migrated to a plain window manager. I can't stand DE's anymore and on top of my "I can't stand this list" is GNOME >2, given that I never tested Unity and I gnore something ridiculous, such as Enlightenment. Btw. I don't remember why I renamed a lightdm config to *fuck in 2013, but it definitively wasn't a keyboard language issue. $ ls -hAl /etc/lightdm/ total 40K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40 Dec 23 11:45 keys.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.9K Dec 23 11:45 lightdm.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.7K Aug 2 2013 lightdm.conf.fuck -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K Aug 7 2013 lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7K Mar 8 2015 lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.2.0.0-2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.7K Oct 29 19:33 lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.pacnew -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 452 Dec 23 11:45 users.conf -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.5K Dec 23 11:45 Xsession Everything depending on GTK >= 3.20 does break things, even within minor relases, IOW you even can't trust common soname sense.