From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 19 14:31:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662891065674 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02248FC12 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4JEUxG0000703; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:30:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q4JEUwcj000700; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:30:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:30:58 +0200 (CEST) From: User Wojtek To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <201205191225.q4JCPxkH063784@mail.r-bonomi.com> Message-ID: References: <201205191225.q4JCPxkH063784@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 19 May 2012 16:30:59 +0200 (CEST) Cc: tesla@sunset.tx.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optiplex 755 RAID 1 logical drive configuration ignored by FreeBSD 9.0-R installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:31:11 -0000 > > I used 'hardware RAID' because that is -precisely- how the OP described > their equipment. unfortunately this is true - it is DESCRIBED as such. lie is standard tool in todays IT marketing. What are facts: - very few controllers actually have some RAID support. those usually have onboard RAM in substantial amount and preferably - battery backed. - unless you need RAID-5,6 or similar hardware cannot speed it up much. - gmirror/gstripe in FreeBSD is vastly superior to any RAID including true hardware ones - if configured properly. unless you treat single-process sequential read as measure of performance. even graid5 (from ports) is close to, or even outperform true hardware RAID, but CPU load is substantial. - RAID hardware does not allow any flexibility, like partitioning disks and using different RAID styles for parts. very useful. - with FreeBSD software RAID you will be able to access your data in every computer with SATA port. That's simple. > And Dell does offer at least one such controller. Yes true. Actually all recently bought servers i have to manage are Dells (yes their 24-hour warranty replacement on place actually work!). And i always make sure no "hardware" RAID is present :), to get best performance. Actually i told Dell marketer i will be recommending hardware RAID solution for Dell when he prove it will actually outperform my software RAID10 setup with same amount of same disks. Still not proved ;) Of course you have to properly configure both "hardware" and software RAID. > The cases where true hardware RAID may help is it's battery backup write-buffer that consume forced syncs (database commits etc) when they are common. still if it is an issue it means than database software is really badly designed if it have to sync constantly. But if there is no choice, today there are simple solutions like small-size SLC flash drive or battery backed ramdisk in extreme cases. > Further, I, personally, have a fairly similar Compaq machine, which has > hardware RAID, with it's own BIOS (including configuration/setup screens). what is the chip that you say it is hardware RAID? I dare to not believe you, but possibly you are right.