From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 16 11:06:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A267A3; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x22d.google.com (mail-we0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D41144F; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id x54so1583669wes.18 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 04:06:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ZRAlIe6sqloI4gTwL4vNPA+trpa9SqjiUEpsl/uOYF8=; b=BwrDndGZPKON36mzaHHGZnYdf2b0xwDjIl44aiPT6wvSv6bxirgaYovtD32JUf5Iwb 5u9CQeocw4CTJYwkamdzay4VFsM/ByObI1ujRjkdipqaSSzPaUqJNuTZcFAKo7Yl7nI2 hWC/pE2tICPnRpPvVxO/+/NFqX5nxLVjjQsos+65h+AaKn5s6f+G0uRX7cppkphm/EvM UZvQWqSeqxIYXQqzBQFuLOSfYe9ZoZSpqdtohSrnubYeuXLtK9+zByCH3auIJ23Andxn uFhhzoaRjrtND9espWbaa8VQweNapAf8mK7lPSC/WRDkGm3m9BO2+QXjZrn73dxl78Wa u5pg== X-Received: by 10.194.91.194 with SMTP id cg2mr5658056wjb.53.1371380791036; Sun, 16 Jun 2013 04:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ithaqua.etoilebsd.net (ithaqua.etoilebsd.net. [37.59.37.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fo10sm14724610wib.8.2013.06.16.04.06.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Jun 2013 04:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 13:06:27 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: svn commit: r251794 - in head: . contrib/cvs etc etc/mtree gnu/usr.bin gnu/usr.bin/cvs share/doc/psd share/doc/psd/28.cvs share/mk tools/build/mk tools/build/options tools/tools/nanobsd/gateworks Message-ID: <20130616110627.GJ72830@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> References: <201306152029.r5FKT8S3012945@svn.freebsd.org> <51BCEBED.9060101@FreeBSD.org> <51BCFA1C.4030100@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GlnCQLZWzqLRJED8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Eitan Adler , Bryan Drewery X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:06:33 -0000 --GlnCQLZWzqLRJED8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 08:06:03PM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Bryan Drewery wro= te: >=20 > > There are build-time dependencies on cvs. This is just grepping my last > > (partial) exp-run logs for '/usr/bin/n?cvs' >=20 > Where was this righteous indignation when the perl 5.14.2 -> 5.14 > directory rename abomination was unleashed? Why wasn't every perl > port micro version bumped? If ever there was a festering pile of > horse excrement, that was one. >=20 Wow that is nice, and very respectful of others work, given that the perl c= ase has a reason to be (able to properly handle updates in binary only world) p= lus it was exp-run, and there is a load a explaindd way to upgrade: see UPDATIN= G, users were informed via mails, plus updating. On the other hand this commit we all want to see in, breaks a lots of ports= with no documented way to recover, no testing on side effects etc, That is the concern bryan is trying to explain, a simple exp-run would have cost 18h ho= urs and we would have been able to at least warn the users. We want working packagss on HEAD but we don't want the pay the price of it = aka, testing changes against ports before committing, with poudriere it is now v= ery even on self hardware to do such tests. Bapt --GlnCQLZWzqLRJED8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlG9nDMACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Ey37ACeIqcs0iRWG3bCL0r39WJL8X+H kF8AnA+MO+VdfBqpbL0pQHuvDG/T7ahu =WAl4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GlnCQLZWzqLRJED8--