From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 16:56:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7B79FB0 for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x234.google.com (mail-qc0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A80132EB2 for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id i17so9316239qcy.25 for ; Mon, 19 May 2014 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JUq+Xg5B9hWCyUUtSkeHwUEKJp3mSQ8BQQak66vzlOE=; b=KawNyc6mV7JoY2hln6kT1wXNrFFH3hcM1m2TLYLkF3njmxSCSKkE82WNktLHuXyJJK ysbxW393JGj8sMqfQ8CMav3t3L4l4GyraBBmETxjvxc3ZFoPeA/RlHGPVx8+0dkf7hdF NVnLghet4SkF8X43aFd7iKieC9N0Mg+ycHufA+YOdSQLg1XIgjHOBcLCuRS1mSyG6lxG ofasFfUZVoNLlLy8vwHN5HKHbemz0xFn9grmzKoGWTBDp1LRogzXPf0fxCoHrxU28Uff FLIx0DGoJGnQf4QtrR5XrbCR/Yfa/IAyfrVT9qcllMJMR3KKXY/23O4wHeHSLEcNi6Is oZ5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.129.66 with SMTP id n2mr49771055qas.55.1400518570667; Mon, 19 May 2014 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.191.201 with HTTP; Mon, 19 May 2014 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140519174117.G89611@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <201405181223.s4ICNTAf097378@fire.js.berklix.net> <20140518230242.GA28117@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20140519174117.G89611@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 09:56:10 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vzqKau-e2vvnz-X4auE6qTJ-W_0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: netmap and other discussions on freebsd-net: please be open minded. From: Adrian Chadd To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Net , Luigi Rizzo X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 16:56:12 -0000 On 19 May 2014 01:42, Ian Smith wrote: > On Mon, 19 May 2014 01:02:42 _0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > Folks, i have two requests for you: > > > > 1. please do not complain about questions on this list related > > to a core network-related FreeBSD subsystem (netmap, dummynet, > > netgraph, tcp stack...) even if they are concerned with ports > > to Linux or other OSes or to userspace. > > > > At least in principle, these topics _are_ relevant here precisely > > because they relate to code whose main home is in the FreeBSD > > source tree, and bugs or feature suggestions etc that may emerge > > will directly benefit FreeBSD. > > I'm glad I waited before responding to the OP+1 or I may have been > somewhat less polite, let alone authoritative .. so thanks. > > I can only add that projects such as netmap - and ipfw & dummynet for > Linux for that matter - can only serve to lower the wall, in perception > at least, between the merits of either OS for purpose, and further > increase the exposure of the quality of FreeBSD networking to the Linux > masses; ie, I believe this can only be a net gain for FreeBSD overall. > > > 2. on the other hand, it would be good if people could avoid questions like > > "give me step by step instructions on how to install/run/use X". > > There are notes in README and Makefiles, something on the > > web pages, and quick web searches should point you to previous > > mailing list discussions on the same topic _before asking_. > > googling 'netmap linux' seems to point to most everything relevant, > including some discussions on Linux lists, and perhaps illustrative > of (1) is http://www.ntop.org/pf_ring/dna-vs-netmap/ > > cheers, Ian (no, I haven't played with netmap, but it sure smells good!) My experience is the opposite - it makes it easier to migrate away from FreeBSD to Linux. You have to be careful. -a