From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Wed Dec 4 09:24:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E001CEBC9; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (fuz.su [IPv6:2001:41d0:8:e508::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "amnesiac", Issuer "amnesiac" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47SYMG5QKPz4cn8; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuz.su (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id xB49O2N0082733 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:24:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: (from fuz@localhost) by fuz.su (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xB49O2xF082732; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:24:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fuz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:24:02 +0100 From: Robert Clausecker To: freebsd-arm , freebsd-arch Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <20191204092402.GA82492@fuz.su> References: <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17938.1575444597@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47SYMG5QKPz4cn8 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fuz@fuz.su has no SPF policy when checking 2001:41d0:8:e508::1) smtp.mailfrom=fuz@fuz.su X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fuz.su]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.65)[0.652,0]; IP_SCORE(0.66)[ipnet: 2001:41d0::/32(1.47), asn: 16276(1.83), country: FR(-0.00)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.84)[0.845,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 09:24:11 -0000 On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 07:29:57AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Ed Maste writes: > >We don't do this today, but have the ability to do so for arm64 server > >platforms. (Due to its design, freebsd-update does not work > >particularly well on devices with slow root filesystems such as SD > >cards.) > > I don't think storage-technology should be used as a discriminant here. > > First because it is quite trivial to plug in a quality USB SSD (WD > passport for instance) and use that as root filesystem. > > Second, just because freebsd-update takes a day to run, doesn't mean > that people would not want it. Indeed. For example, on a Raspberry Pi 3B, it takes multiple days to build world as the build must be done single threaded due to a lack of RAM (building LLVM is the worst offender here). Getting it down to one day is already a huge quality of life improvement. Yours, Robert Clausecker -- () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments