From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 5 00:55:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870E816A4D1 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 00:55:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA2143D5E for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 00:55:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j450oxCn005531; Wed, 4 May 2005 18:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20050504.185153.78707420.imp@bsdimp.com> To: cswiger@mac.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <20050504.163618.112621888.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:55:46 -0000 In message: Charles Swiger writes: : I infer that POSIX compliance is not very important to you. I have POSIX_ME_HARDER defined in my environement :-) POSIX compliance for POSIX compliance sake isn't a goal. : > I'm not looking for a catalog of systems. I'm telling you why : > we are where we are today, and why things haven't changed: There's : > really no need and inertial keeps things BSDish. Most people never : > use the root shell directly, and all shell scripts are /bin/sh : > anyway... : : The fact that the /etc/rc scripts, cron, and similar tools involving : root's environment are all run using /bin/sh is one of the primary : reasons why root shell ought to be /bin/sh. There are newgroup FAQs : for various platforms which recommend against changing root's shell : from being a /bin/sh. That doesn't follow. All my shell scripts run /bin/sh, yet my default shell is /bin/tcsh. But like I've said twice now: There's lots of bigger problems in the tree, and a change like this could break things. There's enough breakage in the tree now. Warner