From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 6 15:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335B816A420 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:44:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daeg@houston.rr.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6D543D45 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:44:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daeg@houston.rr.com) Received: from cpe-24-167-79-28.houston.res.rr.com (cpe-24-167-79-28.houston.res.rr.com [24.167.79.28]) by ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k26Fiqbk025172; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:44:52 -0600 (CST) From: David J Brooks Organization: KC5WNK To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:44:34 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200603041726.37525.duane@greenmeadow.ca> <20060305213137.GA4276@xor.obsecurity.org> <200603060024.40716.duane@greenmeadow.ca> In-Reply-To: <200603060024.40716.duane@greenmeadow.ca> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(=?utf-8?q?gxJxxc=0A=09R=09nSNPNr*/=5E=7EStawWU9KDJ-CT0k=24f=23?=@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603060944.35523.daeg@houston.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Duane Whitty , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: device atapicam not enabled in GENERIC kernel for FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:44:55 -0000 On Sunday 05 March 2006 22:24, Duane Whitty wrote: > On Sunday 05 March 2006 17:31, Kris > > Kennaway wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 05:12:36PM > > -0400, Duane Whitty wrote: > > > On Saturday 04 March 2006 17:30, > > > Kris > > > > > > Kennaway wrote: > > > > On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at > > > > 05:26:37PM > > > > > > -0400, Duane Whitty wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone has > > > > > any information/opinion as to > > > > > why device atapicam is not > > > > > enabled by default in the > > > > > GENERIC kernel. > > > > > > > > It's not an appropriate default, > > > > since it modifies the way the ata > > > > subsystem works in ways the > > > > maintainer does not wish to > > > > support, > > > > > > Sorry, but do you mean the ata > > > subsystem maintainer or the > > > atapicam maintainer? > > > > The former. > > > > > Is atapicam part of the base? > > > > Yes. > > > > > I was > > > under the impression it implements > > > an abstracted SCSI interface over > > > the ata device subsystem but maybe > > > I'm not adequately understanding > > > what's really happening. > > > > As the name suggests, it provides a > > CAM front-end to the devices, which > > is the same front-end used by the > > SCSI devices, so tools that expect to > > use CAM can work on the ATA devices > > too. > > Ah, ok -- CAM -- common access method. > I'm getting this > > > > Just an observation but it seems as > > > though there is a great deal of use > > > being made of the atapicam > > > subsystem. I noticed for instance > > > that in addition to /dev/cd0 that > > > /dev/pass0 and /dev/da0 also did > > > not show up until I rebuilt with > > > atapicam or did I just miss them? > > > > The equivalent devices have different > > names under atapicam than ata, but > > why do you think they are necessary? > > because I misunderstood what umass > needed and I inappropriately > generalized on the basis of one port > (k3b) > > > > Unless I'm wrong doesn't this mean > > > that usb drives and those types of > > > devices need the atapicam > > > subsystem? > > > > I suspect you're wrong. > > > > Kris > > Hi, > > Thanks Kris. Your suspicions were > correct. I was wrong. I re-read the > man pages for da, pass, and umass, and > nowhere did it say I needed atapicam. > So thanks for pointing me in the right > direction. > > I rebooted with the GENERIC kernel, > plugged in my usb memory device, and > everything worked great. > > The k3b port required this and I suppose > I generalized when I should not have. > > Again, much thanks. > > --Duane > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" This reminds me to ask: I have ATAPICAM enable in my kernal, specifically so that k3b can find my dvd+rw ... but no cd* devives appear in /dev, and k3b cannot find anything no matter where I tell it to look .. I must be overlooking something, but what? -- Sure God created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established userbase.