From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 19 14:32:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA21905 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA21900 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA14223; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:16:12 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199701192216.PAA14223@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Commerical applications (was: Development and validation To: kaveman@magna.com.au (Julian Jenkins) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:16:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, dennis@etinc.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Julian Jenkins" at Jan 20, 97 00:09:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Since really no one is interested in this discussion (or at least "no one > > capable of doing anything about it by virtue of historically indentured > > membership in the existing power structure"), I'll just go back to being > > the observer. > > Propose a Model. Submit patches! Droll. A model was proposed and patches submitted in the fashion you suggest. The pre-patched model was "NetBSD" and the post-patched model is "OpenBSD". Unfortunately, the patches consisted of modifications of the data against which the process was run rather than patches to the process ...rather remniscent of George Orwell's "Animal Farm". I question whether the data, once a model is instantiated, will not actively seek to revert the model, to the detriment of all involved. A nice analogy can be had by noting the P6 still has an 8086 mode so the data doesn't have to change. Like dark matter, the data created in the framework of one model has mass and inertia, and therefore a rather Newtonian bias against change. Bluntly: once in a rut on a dirt road, the tendency is to remain in the rut, even if you have an onramp to a paved road right next to you. Anyone can be core team member if they form their own core team; the question is one of whether or not the formation of a core team in the first place isn't the source of some of the problems the fleeing individuals are trying (unsuccessfully, observations indicate) to escape. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.