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Message-ID: References: <20220408040435.71a02dff@archlinux> <20220408034525.f996ecf1e21fe0c3a52ca9bb@sohara.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LIkCSjXZW21JstLH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20220408034525.f996ecf1e21fe0c3a52ca9bb@sohara.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KZQkj2cNcz4l9N X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm2 header.b=TySYYUKh; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=CFMkVmGo; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.29]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.29:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --LIkCSjXZW21JstLH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 03:45:25AM +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > So contact the hardenedbsd project and show them your hardenedbsd >based mailing list POC set up with all their lists cloned to it and offer >to maintain it as part of the project. > > I presume they use Google Groups because nobody on the project >wants to run a mailing list so if you think they should then you're bit is >to help find someone who does and the obvious candidate is the person who >feels strongly that it should be done - you! You lack the time ? You have >more important things to do ? So do they! I don't lack the time or the expertise. I just think running a mailing list= =20 for a security-centred OS on a platform monetising metadata is=20 incongrouous and this gives me pause for the thing it represents.=20 And that's it. I'm describing the input of not-dogfooding on my opinion. as to the "well why don't you do it yourself" I think the issue might=20 be that there is more trust in a company than an individual, but I'm guessing here. There are non-metadata monetising list servers. 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