From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 07:11:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79522106566C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 07:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F6C8FC08 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 07:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id o997BAtK009560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id o997BA5P009559; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA18680; Sat, 9 Oct 10 00:08:47 PDT Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 00:08:39 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: FreeBSD@insightbb.com Message-Id: <4cb014f7.v20YBE7K8CIaLBpz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <20101008181213.c9511a15.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <4CAF4550.90607@FreeBSD.org> <201010081313.03116.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> In-Reply-To: <201010081313.03116.FreeBSD@insightbb.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISDN4BSD removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 07:11:11 -0000 Steven Friedrich wrote: > On Friday 08 October 2010 12:22:40 pm Dimitry Andric wrote: > > On 2010-10-08 18:12, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > > > Another thing about VoIP calls: have they solved the > > > "emergency call needs a location" problem? Here (again: in > > > Norway) they are still working out how to solve this: if you > > > call emergency services (police, fire department, etc.) from > > > yout VoIP number; how do the emergency center locate you? > > > > Ehm, you tell them? You have them on the phone. :) > > Um, could be a kid that dialed the phone, or someone may have > lost consciousness. Or still be conscious, but unable to speak for one reason or another, choking being the first example that comes to mind; or is just too stressed out by the situation to be coherent. Originally, at least in the U.S., 911 systems had no automatic locator mechanism and depended on the caller being able to provide location. It didn't take all that long to discover that a small but significant fraction of very serious emergencies demanded more. > How can this still be a problem? Congres mandated that all > phones have GPS, didn't they? Er, did you miss the part about "in Norway"? I somehow doubt that any U.S. mandate, even if one existed, would apply there. BTW cell phones are nowhere near as troublesome in this regard as VoIP. With cell, dispatch at least knows that the caller is within range of the tower that's handling the call. With VoIP they could be halfway around the world.