From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 15:40:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD9F15C61FD for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E6E8B702 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B96718047 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:40:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: I've got a major question... To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> <20190627103701.7ea401b8@archlinux> <20190627110340.d0d87cfe.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627113712.8a8ffbb238f478b08514cf72@sohara.org> <20190627080134.000012d6@seibercom.net> <20190627141756.1bf4a848.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627153043.7ce7553c@archlinux> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <77a7ea05-6264-d052-e03b-1cc889172f38@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:40:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190627153043.7ce7553c@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 59E6E8B702 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.81)[-0.810,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.973,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.231,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:40:59 -0000 On 2019-06-27 08:30, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:17:56 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> Luckily, nobody reads EULAs anyway... ;-) > > Yes, very often users completely ignore the EULA of their Pirate Bay > downloads. > > Sometimes, before it's possible to agree, we need to move a > vertical scroll bar, but maybe the EU should enforce a control > system. Before it is possible to agree, the end user needs to answer 3 > questions regarding the EULA's content. Let me improvise the questions (pertinent to many proprietary EULAs I had to read as part of my sysadmin's duty) 1. Are you happy with us keeping right to terminate EULA [agreement] at any time? 2. Are you happy with your inability to move perpetually licensed for use by you software to different system (hardware) after your initial "support term" ends? 3. Are you happy to get perpetual license that depends on the existence of our company? (examples: a. siftware has to check in with company license server every time you start it; b. your "perpetual" license is actually 1 year term license; but the company sends you new license shortly before current term expires) ;-) Just listing nuisances I've seen myself. Couldn't fit into question the biggest one: "software for rent"... Even Adobe (whom I always thank for postscript) lost my respect big time for starting doing that. Valeri > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++