From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 20 22:27:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05B316A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:27:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (cvs.openbsd.org [199.185.137.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D42243D1F for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:27:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org) Received: from cvs.openbsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cvs.openbsd.org (8.13.3/8.12.1) with ESMTP id j2KMRUR6010217; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:27:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200503202227.j2KMRUR6010217@cvs.openbsd.org> To: Tomas Quintero In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:22:16 EST." <9e46c99e05032014222270fe04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:27:30 -0700 From: Theo de Raadt cc: misc@openbsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 22:27:12 -0000 Well, Tomas, The issue is that not all FreeBSD users accept a dependency on binary-only non-free components. Some of them do care. Perhaps not you, but some of them do. > I'm sorry, but aside from the chain of emails subject'd Adaptec AAC > raid support, what good does this email serve to the > freebsd-questions@ mailing lists? The only thing this is doing is > perpetuating the cycle of emails which is simply clogging inboxes. No, Tomas, you are incorrect. Yes, thousands of mails are being sent to Adaptec right now, but these mails are coming from their CUSTOMERS. Now if I was a company and I was doing something that pissed off my customers, I would like to know, that's for sure. So your use of the word "clogging" is incorrect. > While some of the discussion may be constructive or useful in the > other thread, this is not. No, Tomas, it is entirely useful. It is due to activism actions like this that the documentation for many many chipsets was freed up, for years now, chipsets which I am sure YOU are using on your machine RIGHT NOW. I have been at this for 10 years now, and I am sure you have not. It has been a momentous struggle, and it is not over yet. > Try and keep your subjects together so I can archive them more easily > and not be forced to read over more. If anything, this sort of email > belongs entirely on your misc lists, not the freebsd lists. It belongs whereveer there are people who care about being able to have drivers for their hardware. Otherwise what you are asking for is simply ... that the developer's hands be tied. Flat out, you are wrong. This affects everyone. > > -Tomas Quintero > FreeBSD User > > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:10:29 -0700, Theo de Raadt > wrote: > > Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail, here is the > > email address of the next person at Adaptec who is involved in this. > > > > He has also previously indicated that he would be involved in any > > decision to provide documentation on the aac RAID management > > interface. > > > > Marty Turner > > marty_turner@adaptec.com > > Product Manager > > Adaptec, Inc. > > (919) 287-2045 > > > > Sorry Marty, but you are only getting comments from your customers.