From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 11:30:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA8116A41F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:30:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ABA43D45; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:30:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k06BU2p7082616; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k06BSFeQ066668; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id k06BSFs0066667; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:28:15 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20060106112815.GH54324@svcolo.com> Mail-Followup-To: Mark Linimon , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43AB1E65.2030501@mac.com> <20051222221202.GM39174@svcolo.com> <200512231136.12471.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060105092448.GH1358@svcolo.com> <20060105184147.GD69162@funkthat.com> <20060105233226.GC17890@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105233226.GC17890@soaustin.net> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:30:40 -0000 > > I just know that core has either struck it down or been Silent. On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:32:26PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > The latter is an entirely different case from the former, and you've been > claiming core has done the former. This, and the above, tell me that > you're not interested in checking your facts before making an accusation. > (And, as well, that you do not even understand the role the core plays > in the project. Hint: it is not primarily technical in nature.) I agree with most of what you said here. This was known and understood. Agreement on direction is what I was expecting, er, dreaming about. Not technical issues. Sorry if that surprises you. But I have to take objection to this: > As a final observation, FreeBSD is rarely advanced by postings of the > form 'FreeBSD must do XYZ'. This is primarily because volunteers work on > whatever they feel interested in doing with their free time, rather than > the priorities anyone else sets for them. First, this is obvious and true for all open source projects. But no, FreeBSD _never_ advances because someone writes code that does something well. FreeBSD _only_ advances when the core developers agree that this thing is worthy of their interest. And I'm not even saying this is a bad thing. It just means that writing code without buy-in from the core developers is GUARANTEED to be a waste of time. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation