From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 17 9:35:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC9437B718 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:35:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22916; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:34:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010317102735.00dc8320@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:34:18 -0700 To: Mike Meyer From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15027.1588.271684.905744@guru.mired.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010316204324.00c7e4d0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010316000411.00e3dcb0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315232521.00ccf340@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315180735.00c71720@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315075228.00e60ac0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010315005732.00b5cef0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314185307.00e6ab00@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314182353.00ba5880@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314170008.00d86960@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010314132512.04acb100@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010313211657.00e294a0@localhost> <3AADC096.DE27817@outpost.co.nz> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311235053.00e26140@localhost> <20010305205030.G80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305125259.00cfdae0@localhost> <20010305142108.A17269@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306011342.045fb360@localhost> <20010306081025.A22143@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306092612.00b79f00@localhost> <20010306174618.N32515@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> <15020.28993.192354.986367@guru.mired.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010312223234.0445f3a0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010316204324.00c7e4d0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:37 PM 3/16/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: >The only part of your "critical thinking" I'm not imitating is that >I'm giving you a chance to prove your point, instead of blindly >repeating the facts as I think they are. No, you're blindly repeating quite a few "facts as [you] think they are" -- about publishers especially. It just so happens that I'm a publisher of music myself (as well as a composer), and all of the sweeping generalizations you make about the "evil" publishers do not apply. >I'm perfectly willing to believe that Stallman advocates theft. I've >seen him in action socially, and have firsthand accounts of his dating >skills from my kids godmother. Ask anyone female who has encountered him in recent memory about the way he leers at anyone of that gender (though this particular behavior is unrelated to the issue at hand). My wife thought that it was not only crass but pathetic. >To anyone who knows him, an expedient >lie is clearly possible for him. On the other hand, I don't think he >would extend that to libel, which you apparently have no problem >doing. Everything I have said about Stallman is true. Therefore, it's not libel. >As a final note, my stance on copyrights dates from the publishers >attacks on our rights before the publication of the GNU manifesto and >the founding of the FSF. In that case, you should learn more about the logistics of publishing. Not all of us are so bad. > You are wasting your time trying to influence >me demonizing Stallman. And now we come full circle. My goal is not to "demonize" Stallman, nor is this what I am doing. I am, rather, providing truthful information that puts his words and actions in context, so that others will understand his true aims. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message