From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 15:28:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6C216A4CE; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal3.es.net (proxy.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E11F43D1F; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:28:05 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id AECD55D07; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) To: Wilko Bulte In-Reply-To: Message from Wilko Bulte <20040225192838.GA19381@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:28:04 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040225232804.AECD55D07@ptavv.es.net> cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/fdcontrol fdcontrol.8 X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:28:06 -0000 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:28:38 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Sender: owner-cvs-all@freebsd.org > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <20040225181946.GA18703@freebie.xs4all.nl>, Wilko Bulte writes: > > > > >> PS: If anybody has a manual for the Y-E data YD174 8" drive I'd > > >> love to get a scan or copy. > > > > > >Too modern.. 8" 128KB (IIRC) DEC RX01 are the way forward :-P > > > > Well, the objective is to read all sorts of formats, not to demostrate > > the second law of thermodynamics. > > But it sure could rotate disks full of sand using its 115V AC motor. :) > > It needed to, as the PDP that used it was the control CPU for a > concrete mixing factory. I just vacumed out all of the sand and cement > dust, stuck new media in and it ran. Now *that* is NonStop hardware > (pun intended). Time to put on my old fart hat on. If you want an old portable media system that is REALLY "NonStop" (and makes an RX01 look really fast), take a look at DECtape (nee LINCtape) developed by MIT's Lincoln Lab. I spent a lot of time doing nightly re-links of our main mapping tool for an atmospheric flow analysis project on a GT-42 running RT-11 on DECtape. Started the build at about 17:00 and it usually finished up at about 08:00 the following morning. (And, if you thought Windows 98 was slow to boot...) The tape could be spun into a trash can, stomped down with a boot, covered with dirt, re-wound onto the reels, and be read without error. It was random access and all data was recorded redundantly with full error correction and was in use from the early 60s to the mid 70s. I still marvel at the level of over-engineering done on this. (This is NOT the little cassette drive on VAX 750, 730, and 725 system. It was reel to reel.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634